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USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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"This tweet is not available to you" error is still happening to this day. (a reload was required)

Weird, both load for me

I've read that it happens to a lot more people... not sure what the conditions need to be, but yes, it is really weird. It almost looks like some kind of censoring.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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The entire US prison system feels abusive to me. I've said before that if I somehow magically were to find myself on a US jury (can't happen - I'm not resident in or a citizen of the US; this is a pure hypothetical), I'd be hard pressed to be able to justify voting "guilty" on a moral basis even for quite serious crimes. It feels designed for vengeance and inducing harm rather than for safety for society and rehabili…

> I'd be hard pressed to be able to justify voting "guilty" on a moral basis even for quite serious crimes. It feels designed for vengeance and inducing harm rather than for safety for society and rehabilitation.

If you lived your entire life in the US, and everyday felt the "Me or you" and "I'll get mine" mentality, you'd have a different approach.

It is a VERY strong dog eat dog country, and the feeling is palpable for people who live in countries with a lot more equality and sharing.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Nice ad-hominem attack. Good skills. Wikileaks leaks about the Democrat Party corruption prior to the 2016 election certainly hurt her. And there are unconfirmed reports she joked about hitting him with a drone. https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/hillary-clinton-drone-s...

It's not really a joke either. The Clitnon's have been corrupt for years. The entire Hunter/Biden censorship of the Post by Facebook and Twitter show the interests of big tech align with that of the Bush/Clinton dynasty. Biden could have him killed. He's an empty husk of a president, and will be controlled by the big interests, the Clinton and anyone else who he's been compromised by. We've been living in 1984 for de…

The dictatorship is hidden so well none of us can actually feel its effects.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Yes, the fact that the extradition wasn't rejected on press freedom grounds makes me think maybe it's just a way for the judge to shake it off so that it's not HER who goes down in history books as to have made the decision to extradite. But having sided with the U.S. on pretty much all of the counts concerning press freedom, an appeals court may well 'find' that the heath condition is not enough. I REALLY hope am wr…

Are you claiming the judge’s decision was made on political grounds rather than on legal grounds under UK law? It seems to me she looked at the appropriate laws and made a reasonable decision. That’s her job and it has nothing to to do with “siding with the US”. Whether they are good laws or not is a matter for the UK Parliament and people.

> It seems to me she looked at the appropriate laws and made a reasonable decision.

It is true that the UK technically doesn't guarantee 'freedom of the press' per se, it does have laws however that protect the freedom of expression, not as strongly as the 1st Amendment but still.

Further, there's a long precedent of British newspapers doing what WikiLeaks does and even collaborating with WikiLeaks without being prosecuted.

It's clear Assange is someone who the intelligence community views as an individual who crossed them and needs to be used to deter others. Reading the judgment it is hard not to come to the conclusion she agrees with this view.

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Practically speaking a good outcome for Assange, but a bad outcome for our rights to free speech and free reporting in a liberal democracy. The US have killed millions in the Middle East since 9/11, yet no one is ever held to account for their brutal war crimes. Blair, Bush, Rumsfeld and their associates should be the ones prosecuted, not Assange.

You forgot Obama https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2017/01/18/commentary/w...

That article is grossly inaccurate. It's one thing to say "Obama applied hard power more than was expected" as opposed to "He was worse than Bush" which is completely unjustified. There is absolute no equivalence between drone usage and the two ground wars engaged by Bush. The 2 week Shock and Awe campaign in Iraq dropped more ordinance and killed more people than 8 years of drones. And the drone campaigns were mostly carried out with the private consent of the nations with targets. And saying the Libyan Civil War was "US-led" is just a complete lie. It was most directly lead by Libyans, but the air campaign was led by France.

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The comparison is silly. While the Boer War concentration camps were brutal, they were nothing on par with the Nazis. In fact “concentration camp” is largely a misnomer. The sizable majority of Holocaust victims were killed in extermination camps, like Treblinka. These never even purported to hold any prisoner population, and simply murdered all prisoners immediately upon arrival. The British have no shortage of prob…

There is no difference between starved Boer children[1] and starved Jewish children[2]. Warning: Disturbing images [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_the_Holocaust#/med...

Well, there is a slight difference between 26,000 and 7 million.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Practically speaking a good outcome for Assange, but a bad outcome for our rights to free speech and free reporting in a liberal democracy. The US have killed millions in the Middle East since 9/11, yet no one is ever held to account for their brutal war crimes. Blair, Bush, Rumsfeld and their associates should be the ones prosecuted, not Assange.

European colonial empires killed millions as well and faced no prosecution. Never forget what Hitler said; he said that concentration camps were not his idea instead he learnt about it from reading about British concentration camps during the Second Boer War in which thousands of Boers died.

That seems improbable given that German colonizers committed a genocide in Africa in the years following the Boer War.
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