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Hire people who give a shit
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
This mirrors the sentiment of many people on HN are heavily against the idea of doing anything more than 9-5, and prefer to live the relaxed engineer life collecting paychecks and tending to their microbrews. Maybe the hatred stems from that there exists a large pool of engineers that are passionate about their work and are okay not measuring their work as "hours per week". And that makes the pool of engineers that d…
This is incredibly naive. Another view is that enough engineers have been burnt enough by these founders that they got smarter. Not everyone is looking to tend their microbrew as you think.
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#334I'm surprised how much negativity is in these comments and threads.
Is it really just the one question "how many hours did you work?" that has everyone up in arms? Ok, let's find another way of saying that? BTW, it probably isn't an important question, and it's up to the company to set the culture around work hours.
However, I will say that for many companies, hiring people who give a shit, doesn't have to mean hiring for people who give a shit about your grand vision. A QA engineer doesn't need to be passionate about what the product does for a customer (though it's nice), but you want them to be passionate about QA.
We should all be passionate about the craft/task we do. The nice thing is, even if you find something you would absolutely hate doing, there are people out there who would love that very thing.
I learned this when I was younger, working in the event space, and a guy who was working for me was a housekeeper at a hotel as his main job. He loved it. I couldn't understand how, and he explained that he went into the room knowing the task, he had 10 things he needed to check off the list, if each of those 10 things was done perfectly, he was confident the guests would be happy with the cleanliness of the room. It's as if the thought of what he was cleaning or the things he was going to run into never crossed his mind. This is the task, focus on the task, love the process.
I actually was the same when I was a busser (clearing plates at a restaurant). I guess I was somewhat passionate about the mission of the joint, which was that we wanted patrons to have a good time. Part of that means clearing up the dishes promptly, with a smile, and have fund with the guests. I don't ever remember thinking about that constant mess I was cleaning up, wiping left over food into the bin, etc etc. I gave a shit because...well, it was easy to give a shit.
Maybe there's something to that, make it easy for people to give a shit. If they're not into YOUR mission, help them find or work on THEIR mission.
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#335A few years ago Riot Games turned me down for a position I was overqualified for because I’m not a hardcore gamer. I laughed it off because I knew that people who “give a shit” about the gaming industry expect to work 12 hours per day 300 days per year for a below market salary.
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#336Is this that dude who made a company that rehires cheap labor in the third world for $5/day to help with classification while his team sits back and gets all the benefits? https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1332059634606112768 The guy wants his company to be more of a cult than a value producing service. Makes sense. People who care do put in more of their effort and get better results, but you have to give the…
Criticism of the company's product seems pretty tangential to the blog post. Either way, the value provided comes not from the labeling alone, but from the platform it provides to be able to do so. If it were so easy, why don't these labellers bypass Scale AI entirely and make more money themselves?
>Criticism of the company's product seems pretty tangential to the blog post.
I disagree when his whole point is about 'giving a shit' about product.
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#337This article is megalomaniacal. Insisting that your company with 200+ employees will only hire people who will work themselves to the bone without any mention of how those people will be properly compensated is wild corporate propaganda. I honestly don’t know why the tech industry continues to capitulate to leaders like this who obviously, and loudly, mistreat and dehumanize their employees by insisting that if you a…
I think the way the author expands on it isn't too great, with questions like "How many hours were you working a week?" and "obsessed person". However, I do think there's sense in the general premise of "hire people who care about what they do", but this doesn't need to translate to "work your ass off". A lot of the time when I see people produce really crap code it's because they just don't care. They show up for wo…
I've never seen people produce crap code because they don't care; it's always a lack of education, a last minute fix, or it's just declared crap code because it doesn't meet the reader's threshold for maintainable code, which is very subjective.
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#338Why don't we talk more about how this company employs third world country workers in a "gig economy" model to even further compress wages and squeeze margins? How can one be proud and give a shit about a product like this?
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
A further problem for those of us who are adults with at least a decade or more of experience in this industry is that Wang is practically a child, and that means 100% certainty that he does not have the leadership experience to either convincingly swagger or lead a company. He needs to dial down the attitude on posts like this and learn from startup leaders who understand what success and healthy work/life balance l…
That article is a big red flag. Do not work for this man. He doesn't respect you only the perceived effort you put in.
I hear he loves meetings. That's another huge red flag for me. This is a guy who demands late-stage employees be committed to his startup even though their shares will never vest (if they receive shares at all), and he promotes a culture of wasting the productive hours of the day on meetings. Run away, run far, far away.
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#340I've tried giving a shit as an IC, and have basically learned and been told repeatedly that it's just a waste of time, and there's no point in caring about a company beyond what it takes to fullfill your responsibility as someone being paid or about your duties beyond how much the people in charge care about them. Startups in particular don't reward giving a shit about anything much at all, most of the time, but enterprises are no different. They reward getting tasks done quickly and measurably, in a way that poses little risk to the company, and that's exactly what this asshole is saying. There is almost no market for giving shit, and it's not worth your mental health to try.
"But we serve millions of people, and among those are people who might need us to take a different approach to this webapp for accessibility reasons. Sorry guy, Brad who's on vacation and decided on this pointless project to help him get promoted needs this done by X date and your opinion isn't in line with his"