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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by aantix »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #162
m1117 wrote: post #157

I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

I'm not anti vaxx. But I totally understand after institution after institution failed us all, that people will be skeptical about a miracle vaccine developed in mere months. I have faith in the scientists, but anyone can see the incentives are dodgy here.

I can remember a time where government surveillance alarmists were dismissed as conspiracy theorists wearing tinfoil hats. Then Snowden released the documents and not only was it true, wide spread surveillance, but it was much deeper than any civilian could have imagined.

UFOs - again, dismissive, denied for decades. And now they've casually released videos from the Navy showing aerial vehicles performing maneuvers that none of our current technology is capable of.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by kube-system »

ghaff wrote: post #97
solarhoma wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think private companies will require vaccination to return to work? *Here is an article I found on the subject. Essentially stating in general employers could require vaccination. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/26/coronavirus-...

I fully expect that once it is widely available (major caveat), many workplaces and schools will require it absent medical exceptions. Certainly, most schools require vaccinations today and I don't expect there will be a lot of sympathy for those that want to hold off.

I expect that state school systems will mostly apply their existing laws for required vaccines. (which is that 4 or 5 of them actually require them, and the rest give religious and/or philosophical exemptions)

But for the vast majority of workplaces, there's not much of an existing precedent to do this, and I suspect the vast majority of employers will not want to rock the boat too much. I suspect it'll be something that will be "required" by policies but not enforced in practice. The people who want to get vaccines will get them, and those who do not will ignore the policy without repercussions.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by anoncake »

chaostheory wrote: post #326
Exmoor wrote: post #323

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I'm in a rush, so hopefully someone can dig up some actual links to scientific papers, but current immunity from naturally infected people has stayed strong and shows no sign of weakening. The immune response from the vaccination has at least as strong, so in all likelihood we're looking at very long response.

Doesn't immunity only last several months though?

No, it stays strong and shows no sign of weakening.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by nkohari »

White_Wolf wrote: post #193
aviraldg wrote: post #106

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> In 2018, a study team including CDC scientists analyzed and published vaccine safety data on adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines (arenaprix-AS03, Focetria-MF59, and Pandemrix-AS03) from 10 global study sites. Researchers did not detect any associations between the vaccines and narcolepsy.

tbh I had the vaccine back then and am still fine(or I'm dreaming right now). That doesn't mean I'm for or against this new vaccine. I'll draw my conclusion when I see enough data. At the end of the day it's my choice if I do it or not since if you take the jab you should be safe either way. That being said: shutting down discourse I'm always against. Dumb or not everyone should be able to have their say as long as t…

With respect to the last paragraph, vaccination is a sticky topic, because the vaccine protects both you and those around you.

Vaccines are not 100% effective, don't convey permanent immunity, and not everyone can be vaccinated due to various health restrictions. As a result, if you voluntarily choose not to be immunized when you could otherwise have been, you are voluntarily exposing some people you come into contact with to potential harm.

It's up to you whether that falls within your definition of "violence", but some would say so.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by phillc73 »

aphextron wrote: post #218
phillc73 wrote: post #165

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> Fortunately I don't need to though, because soon we'll probably have 2 great vaccines to choose from. Indeed! And I'll be going with the adenoviral route which has been used for more than fifty years, rather than the brand new, first time ever mRNA product.

>Indeed! And I'll be going with the adenoviral route which has been used for more than fifty years, rather than the brand new, first time ever mRNA product. Interesting, I feel the exact opposite. I can't wait to take a mRNA vaccine, but the adenovirus ones seem sketchy given that Sinovac, J&J, and AstraZeneca have all seen serious adverse events in their trials, while Pfizer and Moderna have seen none, along with mu…

I think Zabdeno (Ad26.ZEBOV) and Mvabea (MVA-BN-Filo) for ebola vaccination is the most recent example. Also from Janssen (J&J).

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by bawolff »

jackfrodo wrote: post #232
singemonkey wrote: post #168

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Please cite the lengthy list of institutions that have failed us all.

Uhh, points at 2020 The CDC advising people to not buy masks in February because "they don't work" comes to mind. The US Gov in general completely letting businesses and individuals plunge into bankruptcy. I think a lot of people have been awakened to the fact that "the system" is pretty ambivalent to their personal well-being.

Scientists are people to. They don't magically know how a new never before seen virus works, instantly. It takes time to study it. Advice at the beginning are best guesses; some is going to turn out to be wrong. With time and experience, knowledge gets more firm, advice shifts and solidifies.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by atlantacrackers »

whatshisface wrote: post #298
m1117 wrote: post #157

I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

Vaccines are not 100% effective. You should continue to isolate until the virus is gone. If everyone that gets vaccinated immediately starts partying again, that 10% or so for whom the vaccine has no effect will contribute to prolonging the pandemic.

Yeah, no.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by caturopath »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #312

Do we know how long does the vaccine holds? Is that like polio and lasts for years, or like the flu and you need a new dose each year?

I was listening to an interview with Paul Offit[1] a vaccinologist and member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (which advises on COVID-19 vaccines).

His message was "You honestly don't know ahead of time", but his caveatted guess was actually that it would be long-lasting (giving the example of measles), not like the flu.

[1] https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Z7m56ACJ1VZ0ZKuw4iiGb

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