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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by mst »

higerordermap wrote: post #23

This is not only kind of spam going on here. A twitter user mentioned that some youtubers are themselves creating assignment aggregation type repos, and encouraging their viewers to contribute some copy paste code to those repos and they approve the pull request. That's insane. I feel ashamed to say I am an Indian.

Reading a lot of these comments ... the number of indians making a point of calling out this bullshit on the part of their countrymen is honestly kind of awesome and I'm kinda proud of y'all.

Too many countries' populations would be more likely to be reflexively defensive instead.

Though I'm in england and grew up considering british indians' self deprecatory sense of humour something to aspire to, so ... I'm not going to tell you not to feel ashamed, but I -am- going to tell you that your comment mostly reminds me why I like the culture that leads you to say that :)

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by jsjohnst »

aniforprez wrote: post #301
avighnay wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One more very Indian thing perhaps also is we like to gladly flog ourselves and jump at the chance of discrediting our people. We will start with "As an Indian" but end with "They" instead of "We"

I'm frankly kind of sick of the constant denigration and apologies being written slavishly to foreigners on behalf of all Indians by Indians. As an Indian, I accept there's a lot of cultural problems and crap in the country but to the degree that people will prostrate before the Western elite reminds me of our colonial days. Like, literally everything in that paragraph could be written about literally any part of the…

> I wish my fellow Indians would stop this constant self flagellation and appeasement and have some goddamn pride

I don’t see it as an Indian thing (or a Greece thing as someone else replied). It’s a failing of all of global humanity that anything you can get away with is “ok” to 10-49% of the world’s population (have no concrete source, but I “feel” it’s below 50%, but still a significant number). The US President got up on stage just this week and essentially answered the question “why did you pay so little taxes in 2016-2017?” with the response “because I could! Don’t like the tax laws? BLAME JOE!”, taking zero responsibility for his own actions.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by exabrial »

swiley wrote: post #327
pritambarhate wrote: post #225

As an Indian, I think here some points I think western world needs to know about India. * "Gaming the system" to get your desired outcome is widely accepted in Indian society. Especially if it doesn't involve breaking any laws (not ethics). Even in many cases Gaming the system by breaking the law is considered OK as long as one doesn't get caught doing it. (In fact this might be the only way to come up in politics in…

Pathological behavior being part of a culture isn't an excuse for it. If everyone acted this way open source couldn't exist.

I know your comment is in good faith because the core of what you're saying is correct, and I'm certainly not accusing you of anything... Instead of 'part of the culture' though I would phrase it as 'correlated with the culture' to avoid accidentally giving supremacists ammunition.

The point being, you have to rise above your circumstances. Just because everyone you grew up with is doing something gravely immoral doesn't make it correct. No culture should exude pathological behavior as a trait.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by fetbaffe »

farias0 wrote: post #322
_dbdw wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Gaming the system" is also a cultural thing in Greece. In fact, it's so expected that you are perceived to be either out of the loop or a fool for not going the extra mile. I broke friendships with people who claimed that "it's all subjective at the end of the day" whenever I was raising ethical/moral concerns. Imagine not being able to provide a reasonable argument to justify your actions, beyond of "because I'm al…

The exactly same goes for Brazil. Am I seeing a pattern here, i.e. countries that are supposed to be great but really aren't?

Pattern is high trust societies vs low trust societies.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by couchand »

Freak_NL wrote: post #298
pferde wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why I still prefer old-style patch submissions via mailing lists - the bar is higher, so it usually weeds out exactly this kind of trash. Of course, if a company started offering free t-shirts for mailing list submissions and some foolish (but well-meaning) youtuber would publish a tutorial on how to subscribe and post to a mailing list, I have no doubts that there would be a deluge regardless of this higher…

As a drive-by contributor to plenty of projects it raises the bar uncomfortably high though. A PR I can rebase and rework based on feedback that can be given right there on the line of code it pertains to. Easy as pie with GitLab or GitHub. Really bothersome with mailing-lists, and excruciatingly painful if they don't even use a modern DVCS like git.

A code mirror and mailing list is a perfectly fine DVCS for the purposes of contributing code to an open-source project, and it doesn't lock a whole ecosystem into a monoculture walled garden.

> feedback that can be given right there on the line of code it pertains to

Done easily with a mailing list, and you can be sure that the comment won't just magically disappear because GitHub decided it was fixed even when it wasn't.

> excruciatingly painful if they don't even use a modern DVCS like git.

As far as local development is concerned, there's no reason you can't use all the git tools to manage your changes.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by yowlingcat »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #50
SirSavary wrote: post #2

It's convenient that Digital Ocean has a scapegoat for 2020 but his video doesn't explain the previous years of spammy pull requests.

As a mailserver owner, spam is the first thing that comes to my mind when someone says digitalocean. Malicious bots would be 2nd. I've never learned why DO is a malicious traffic leader. Maybe they're competing with OVH to be the next MCColo.

> Maybe they're competing with OVH to be the next MCColo.

That's my guess. That was the original value prop, right? MCColo with SSDs on every instance.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by emilfihlman »

aniforprez wrote: post #301
avighnay wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One more very Indian thing perhaps also is we like to gladly flog ourselves and jump at the chance of discrediting our people. We will start with "As an Indian" but end with "They" instead of "We"

I'm frankly kind of sick of the constant denigration and apologies being written slavishly to foreigners on behalf of all Indians by Indians. As an Indian, I accept there's a lot of cultural problems and crap in the country but to the degree that people will prostrate before the Western elite reminds me of our colonial days. Like, literally everything in that paragraph could be written about literally any part of the…

>Like, literally everything in that paragraph could be written about literally any part of the world cause humans are just that shitty.

Absolutely not true. It applies to low/high trust societies and is an cultural issue.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by watwut »

sokoloff wrote: post #329
watwut wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Learning for test is gaming the system? Seriously?

Depending on the extent, of course it is. Imagine I'm taking Calculus 2 and I have a choice to learn the material and take the final exam "cold" or I can get the final exam a few months ahead of time and simply memorize the symbols I need to write into the exam booklet. The latter is self-evidently gaming the system. When primary school teachers teach directly towards the assessment exam, they are only incidentally t…

But the latter is not going on here. They are not memorizing the symbols.

> I have a choice to learn the material and take the final exam "cold"

What does cold means? Learning calculus without solving exercises? Or without solving variety of exercises? Intentionally ignoring last years tests and not trying them?

If your learning materials match what the test is supposed to test, you will solve a lot of exercises while learning from them. And the test itself would contain combinations and variations from these.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by yowlingcat »

mst wrote: post #331
higerordermap wrote: post #23

This is not only kind of spam going on here. A twitter user mentioned that some youtubers are themselves creating assignment aggregation type repos, and encouraging their viewers to contribute some copy paste code to those repos and they approve the pull request. That's insane. I feel ashamed to say I am an Indian.

Reading a lot of these comments ... the number of indians making a point of calling out this bullshit on the part of their countrymen is honestly kind of awesome and I'm kinda proud of y'all. Too many countries' populations would be more likely to be reflexively defensive instead. Though I'm in england and grew up considering british indians' self deprecatory sense of humour something to aspire to, so ... I'm not goi…

You raise a fascinating point, which is of how different Anglo-Indian and just generally how different anglo south asian culture is from the norm. The subthread author (or a commentator) mentioned that one thing you'll see a lot is when folks don't know the answer to your question, they'll answer a different unrelated question and hope for the best because not knowing something is seen as weakness. Of course, that is generally not the case with any of the anglicized south asian diasporas.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

fetbaffe wrote: post #334
farias0 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exactly same goes for Brazil. Am I seeing a pattern here, i.e. countries that are supposed to be great but really aren't?

Pattern is high trust societies vs low trust societies.

Yeah, personally I think this has a lot to do with post-colonialism.

I'm Irish, and there's a lot of this in our society. It was much more accepted in my parents generation, and appears to be reducing a little bit as we become a richer society.

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