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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by mdoms »

bobbob1921 wrote: post #241
MetallicCloud wrote: post #231

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I also very much hate this feature, and trigger it often. However if you shake the window you have again, all the minimised windows should be restored.

Agreed (re shake again to reverse), but not always - ie if you let off the mouse click , there is no option to shake again to undo the initial shake. Bottom line , I disableded this “feature”. I do think this is one of the best examples of the issues called out by this article/thread. (Or maybe how google docs has a button covering the scroll bar slider once you scroll to the very bottom of a docs file)

This isn't correct. Shaking the window again will restore the minimised windows, whether it's from the original mouse-down or a future mouse-down.

But I agree that it's a bad feature, and IMO it's a rare miss from the Windows UI team who if nothing else have developed excellent window management.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by rapind »

reaperducer wrote: post #163
supernova87a wrote: post #18

I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features You don't even have to be elderly. The 20-somethings in the office (pre-pandemic) had no idea that on an inconsistent smattering of Apple apps, if you pull down, a hidden search bar magically appears. How did that conversation go? Dev: Where do you want the search bar to go? Designer: Put it somewhere that no one will ever see it, or…

I do think age can play a role, or rather experience. As you live through more UI churn the less your willing to invest time into each new UI generation or fad.

If an application isn't either essential to me or incredibly obvious to use, I am unlikely to learn it's fancy new UI. Why bother?

This extends to APIs and DSLs too since there are often so short lived.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by KayL »

no_wizard wrote: post #213
vbsteven wrote: post #102

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I think the macOS monoculture is going to go away in the next few years because on one side macOS is becoming more and more developer hostile with each release and on the other side WSL (and WSL2) is improving the Windows developer experience a lot. I use Windows as my daily driver OS now for both native/web/mobile/devops work and I expect to see more and more developers making that same switch in the coming years.

I think WSL2 is wonderful, I use it on my primary development machine. Docker doesn't have as many pain points as it used to, and I generally find that I can get around the OS without too much issue, and the new Windows Terminal App helps a ton (its no iTerm2, but its better than anything else I can find) I still miss macOS, so much, because - Mac Software I was accustomed to using (and it was lot) is no longer avail…

WSL2 has no built-in background services. That's a huge issue for me. And I don't have 100% confidence in it. It has many little bugs on each builds.

Why do you miss Finder? Search feature? Preview.app? Opposite to you, I never like it.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by llimllib »

Steltek wrote: post #215
leonidasv wrote: post #150

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Just a minor nitpick, macOS has true bash. It just doesn't have the GNU coreutils, instead it uses the BSD-based equivalents. And yeah, they suck a lot[1], but there's a way to fix if you use Homebrew: https://stackoverflow.com/a/57973942/8280773 [1] Performance-wise and also when you take into account that most shell scripts/tutorials on the internet are written with a GNU userland in mind.

macOS has a 12+ year old bash. Also, even with Homebrew patching up Apple's neglect, coreutils behaves differently under a Darwin kernel than Linux. A repeat source of aggravation for myself is the behavior of 'ps'.

that's not due to the kernel, that's because it's bsd ps instead of gnu ps. sed is the one that gives me the most irritation, there's basically no way to write useful cross-OS sed scripts.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by mdoms »

reidjs wrote: post #141
doktorhladnjak wrote: post #135

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People in this bubble overestimate the popularity of anything Apple. I once had a discussion with a coworker at a major company known for its app, where I was complaining about an Android bug and he genuinely asked "does anybody even use Android?" And I responded, "only the majority of users in every country around the world including the US. It's even 50/50 on our app!" Afterward, I found the internal numbers for em…

Users or customers? Is it possible more revenue was coming from iOS users?

Is it a surprise that iOS users are more engaged with your product when it's tailor-made for them while Android users are getting a sub-par experience?

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by voldacar »

eatingCake wrote: post #240
Klathmon wrote: post #217

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There's a windows feature like this which I hate with a passion. If you grab a window and shake it side to side, it minimizes all open windows... So sometimes I'll grab a window to move to my left monitor, decide instead I want it on the right one, and suddenly everything is gone and I now need to go open every single window one at a time. It even took me months to understand that the shaking was what caused it. I wo…

That thing is the worst! HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced set DisallowShaking dword to 1

Honest question: where do you discover registry stuff like this?

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by dkarlovi »

3np wrote: post #100
jakub_g wrote: post #71

If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…

The most obnoxious I've seen of US-centrism shining through is a registration page - forgot where - where you could select country (optional) and US state (required, no "none")

It could just be the market they were interested in.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by [deleted] »

supernova87a wrote: post #18

I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by toastal »

andi999 wrote: post #245
frereubu wrote: post #186

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I couldn't agree more. I once had a really interesting conversation with an accessibility person who said in passing "accessibility is for everyone ". He didn't make a big point of it, but it really stuck with me, and I'm always reminded of it when I see things like this. I've been working in the digital world since the late 90s, keep everything up to date, have a recent iPhone etc. etc. etc. and I'm stil occasionall…

Got a new android phone (i think it was huawei), couldnt answer calls. I was thinking I as always has to press or slide the green phone icon, but actually had to move the center grey icon on the green phone icon.

Speaking of Android, I used my phone as a hotspot for over a year. When I dropped my phone and the screen broke, while I waited for a replacement screen to DIY, I was able to use ADB to navigate to the assistive tools that would screen read. With that I was able to toggle on and off some settings relade to keeping the hotspot on and churning.

Accessibility can help normal people in extraordinary situations too.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by diegoperini »

formerly_proven wrote: post #67
diegoperini wrote: post #37

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Kind of an off-topic but recently I noticed capturing a gameplay video of an HDR-enabled video game with any kind of software (OBS, Twitch Studio, GeForce Experience, FRAPS, Discord) also produces terrible results. This happens even if I capture the entire monitor or just the app window. Both OpenGL and DirectX games suffer from this. How one can tell whether what you capture/develop is what you will see without test…

That's color management. A surprisingly fucky area from an application developer's perspective, because pretty much only DirectX 11/12 and Vulkan even have that concept -- and both DXGI and Vulkan are pretty limited [1]. Obviously, HDR and non-sRGB color spaces only work windowed in Windows, because DWM does scRGB, everywhere else your app needs to be in exclusive fullscreen. Note that Wayland on Linux doesn't suppor…

> If you want to know how it's done right, you gotta look at how the "moving photos" people do it.

So basically, all I need is a software which can do post-capture tonemapping on captured pixels before streaming the frames.

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