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Post by dleslie »

defnotashton2 wrote: post #312
dleslie wrote: post #146

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Indeed! Though even in non-rural environments their response times are too low to generally be of assistance in life-threatening violent altercations; and that response time is typically lower in predominantly african american neighbourhoods. It's kind of a mark of white privilege to believe that the police will arrive in time to protect you, and that when they arrive they won't harm you. Even for de-escalating domes…

> It's kind of a mark of white privilege to believe that the police will arrive in time to protect you, and that when they arrive they won't harm you. This is a gross overstated political narrative. A) Most police response times are well after most conflicts. B) Poor and targeted neighborhoods often have better response times because of the larger constant police presence. C) Socioeconomic signals predict treatment b…

D) Race is strongly correlated with socioeconomic status.

E) The police responses in poor and targeted neighbourhoods often involve harming residents and criminalizing the impoverished and racialized.

F) 911 is a Joke

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Post by boring_twenties »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #207
tharne wrote: post #147

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You don't know much about firearms based on your response. An AR-15 is a high-powered rifle that has a lot of stopping power even at long range and is very accurate - that's why my buddy had one. It also doesn't have the spread of a shotgun, which is important if you need to shoot a coyote that's too close to your chickens -- you don't want to fire a round of buckshot and take out a bunch of your chickens in the proc…

I do think this is a bit unfair. When the average person says "AR-15", they mean "rifle with a big ol' external mag", and it's a pretty new phenomenon for the average gun owner to have those. Until the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, even gun enthusiasts really did tend to think that a "normal" rifle was one with a wood stock and a fixed internal magazine.

The assault weapons ban that was only first enacted in 1994?

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Post by boring_twenties »

donw wrote: post #59
sharken wrote: post #29

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EDIT: Point taken with the downvotes. This feels very similar to the Intel story, except it seems that Intel is aware and will rectify the problem. But less gun companies overall is a Good Thing in my opinion.

Remington has been on the rocks for awhile. Low quality, high prices, and outdated technology. Today's buyer wants a lightened AR-15 with holographic sights, not grandpa's double-barrel shotgun. I suspect you're being downvoted from the "less gun companies is a good thing" comment. You would be surprised how popular shooting has become in the US, especially, over the last decade or so, and how diverse the gun communi…

> My favorite range has an espresso bar

I need to know where this is, please

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Post by christiansakai »

dleslie wrote: post #261
christiansakai wrote: post #228

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Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

Most allow private ownership, though many with final say by some registering authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

Looking at that list it seems in the majority of countries it is really, really hard, if not impossible to own firearms.

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Post by christiansakai »

pluto9 wrote: post #273
christiansakai wrote: post #228

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Why do most developed nations don't let citizens own guns then?

I've never understood the "most developed nations _______" argument. So what? "Most" parties doing something doesn't make it the right choice. In any other discussion this would be rightfully called out as an "appeal to the majority" fallacy.

I am at loss for words here. These kinds of argument can be made for anything.

Most countries require masks and seatbelts, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice.

Most countries don't allow to eat dogs, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice.

Most countries don't allow to kill man, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice.

I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine.

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Post by pluto9 »

christiansakai wrote: post #335
pluto9 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood the "most developed nations _______" argument. So what? "Most" parties doing something doesn't make it the right choice. In any other discussion this would be rightfully called out as an "appeal to the majority" fallacy.

I am at loss for words here. These kinds of argument can be made for anything. Most countries require masks and seatbelts, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. Most countries don't allow to eat dogs, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. Most countries don't allow to kill man, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine.

You're making my point for me. Every single one of those is a stupid argument.

There are plenty of good arguments to be made for all of those things, but "everyone else does it" is not one of them.

Look, if every other country legalizes murder tomorrow, does that mean we should, too? No? Then whether everyone else is doing it is clearly irrelevant.

Somebody will probably sic dang on me for saying this, but it is mind boggling to me that I have to explain this.

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Post by dleslie »

christiansakai wrote: post #334
dleslie wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most allow private ownership, though many with final say by some registering authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

Looking at that list it seems in the majority of countries it is really, really hard, if not impossible to own firearms.

> > Most allow private ownership, though many with final say by some registering authority.

Often that final say is a rubber stamp.

Hell, even Japan allows private ownership; with a marksmanship test and licensing restrictions.

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Post by pluto9 »

kakwa_ wrote: post #305
e12e wrote: post #237

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Citation needed? I think hunting is allowed most places?

Well, hunting riffles, even if there are extremely common in most countries, specially in rural areas, are hardly in the same class of weapon as a bolt action/(semi-)automatic riffle or an handgun. The latter also has a different goal in mind, being generally used for self protection/deterrence. Also, carrying a gun all the time is extremely uncommon if not forbidden in most European countries if you don't have the p…

> hunting riffles, even if there are extremely common in most countries, specially in rural areas, are hardly in the same class of weapon as a bolt action

Hunting rifles are almost always bolt actions.

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Post by christiansakai »

pluto9 wrote: post #336
christiansakai wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am at loss for words here. These kinds of argument can be made for anything. Most countries require masks and seatbelts, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. Most countries don't allow to eat dogs, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. Most countries don't allow to kill man, so what? It doesn't make it the right choice. I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine.

You're making my point for me. Every single one of those is a stupid argument. There are plenty of good arguments to be made for all of those things, but "everyone else does it" is not one of them. Look, if every other country legalizes murder tomorrow, does that mean we should, too? No? Then whether everyone else is doing it is clearly irrelevant. Somebody will probably sic dang on me for saying this, but it is mind…

Your argument really sounds like those first year students that just attended psychology 101 or theology 101, debate 101, philosophy 101 and suddenly felt "woke" and decided to go "meta" for the discussion and mentioning "majority fallacy" instead of discussing the issue. Yeah, try that with your professors.

low effort post.

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Post by pluto9 »

christiansakai wrote: post #339
pluto9 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making my point for me. Every single one of those is a stupid argument. There are plenty of good arguments to be made for all of those things, but "everyone else does it" is not one of them. Look, if every other country legalizes murder tomorrow, does that mean we should, too? No? Then whether everyone else is doing it is clearly irrelevant. Somebody will probably sic dang on me for saying this, but it is mind…

Your argument really sounds like those first year students that just attended psychology 101 or theology 101, debate 101, philosophy 101 and suddenly felt "woke" and decided to go "meta" for the discussion and mentioning "majority fallacy" instead of discussing the issue. Yeah, try that with your professors. low effort post.

I wouldn't have the opportunity, because none of my professors ever used such poor reasoning. I'm not surprised to learn that yours do, though.

Also, psychology and theology have nothing to do with any of this, and you clearly have no idea what "woke" and "meta" mean. You can call my post "low effort" but at least it isn't a word salad.

I regret wasting my time talking to you. Have a good night.

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