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536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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There aren't many catastrophes that would totally wipe out Earth but still leave offworld colonies intact. Even after a supervolcanic eruption or plague or nuclear war there'll probably still be more living humans on Earth than on Mars. And supernovas and rogue AIs can wipe out both. I like the idea of settling space because I think human lives, if they're pleasant, are intrinsically valuable and I'd like there to be…

> There aren't many catastrophes that would totally wipe out Earth but still leave offworld colonies intact. Even after a supervolcanic eruption or plague or nuclear war there'll probably still be more living humans on Earth than on Mars. Supervolcanos, nuclear war and meteor impacts are probably the most likely of all and could be survived by offworld colonies. And while these could still leave a lot of humans on Ea…

supernova photo blast waves travel at the speed of light, so it is difficult to get advanced notice.

Looking for an advance blast wave of neutrinos gives us about 3 hours of lead time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperNova_Early_Warning_System

Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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The cold weather would kill crops in all but probably tropical latitudes. The lack of sunlight will slow plant growth. Placing plants in greenhouses / growhouses would keep them warm and you could supplement sunlight with LED lighting to feed the plants.

Greenhouses cool down rapidly after sunset though, they still freeze if it's many deg below freezing outside. (Also mass crops like wheat and soy would have to solve harvesting machinery and resource cost vs area size)

>Greenhouses cool down rapidly after sunset though

This simply isn't true and depends on a number of factors. greenhouses can fairly easily maintain 2-30 degrees above the outside temperature. furthermore, the temperature drop described in the article was 1-2 degrees below average.

Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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The 2010 eruption of Iceland's Eyjafjallajökull [0] was a small sample of the perturbations that a volcanic event can have on day to day lives. And it was a relatively small eruption. Anything much larger than that will most likely have devastating effects on modern society on pretty much all levels and it's not really a matter of "if" but "when". Besides eruptions, many other scarier events can cause huge shifts on…

Supposedly there's an associated "black mat" visible in the soil at ~12ky depth. Since I live in the middle of North America and I own an excavator, I'm tempted to see if I can find it..

Yes, it's an actual thing and you can see lots of photographic evidence [0] [1] if you look it up on google or read some of the many papers written on the subject. They're visible on many places on Earth, some even without any excavation needed. It sits pretty much as a clear separation between the previous geological epoch (Pleistocene aka Ice Age) and our current epoch (Holocene).

[0] https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/108/1/40/F1.large.jpg

[1] https://capeia-usercontent.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2019/07/...

Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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"What came to be called the Plague of Justinian spread rapidly, wiping out one-third to one-half of the population of the eastern Roman Empire and hastening its collapse, McCormick says." Considering when the ERE "fell", the plague did a pretty poor job of hastening it's collapse, no?

Not being familiar with the history, the dates that I found seem to support your point.

> The Plague of Justinian (541–549 AD)

> The Byzantine Empire, also referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire..[was] in 555 under Justinian the Great, at its greatest extent since the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

> It survived the fragmentation and fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century AD and continued to exist for an additional thousand years until it fell to the Ottoman Empire in 1453.

Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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> There aren't many catastrophes that would totally wipe out Earth but still leave offworld colonies intact. Even after a supervolcanic eruption or plague or nuclear war there'll probably still be more living humans on Earth than on Mars. Supervolcanos, nuclear war and meteor impacts are probably the most likely of all and could be survived by offworld colonies. And while these could still leave a lot of humans on Ea…

supernova photo blast waves travel at the speed of light, so it is difficult to get advanced notice. Looking for an advance blast wave of neutrinos gives us about 3 hours of lead time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperNova_Early_Warning_System

Thanks, it was because of having heard about the early neutrino detection that I assumed we could potentially get some sort of warning but didn't really bother to look for sources. Assuming the lead time is associated with how close the nova occurs, I guess for stars that could cause us actual damage then the warning would be even smaller than 3 hours so we'd probably get fubar.

Re: 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018)

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Objectively you are right, subjectively I think what matters is short term contrast. 535 vs 536 has a much steeped drop in quality of life than 542 vs 543.

But the title is "worst year to be alive", so while the contrast of 536 was likely the biggest, measured objectively by food availability, life expectancy etc 543 was the worst.

Objectively you are right, subjectively that statement is technically correct and that is worst kind of correct :)

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generally one makes a distinction between Scarface and people who do an occasional line at a party though.

Americans and citizens of high GDP countries are totally the scarfaces in this scenario

I mean sure, except for the ones who aren't.

If the average citizen of the U.S is scarface what is a koch brother then? A monster made up of a thousand scarfaces all shouting say hello to my little friend in unison?

If the average citizen of the U.S is scarface what about someone who works at Greenpeace, doesn't have a car and lives frugally? Probably scarface in comparison to the average untouchable in India but I don't know enough to make that comparison.

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12 Years since, and I still don’t understand why the UK went after Iceland for reparations. Landsbanki was a private bank operating in the UK, and one of the owners Björgólfur Thor Björgólfsson is still doing business in the UK, and is now among the top 100 billionaires in the UK (even though he caused a 6 billion euro damage that the UK taxpayers paid).

As i understand it: In EU/EEA there are are bank regulations specifying that banks may operate on a common market under supervision of regulating body where the bank is registered. As Landsbanki UK was branch office and not subsidiary company, it falled under Iceland regulation. These regulations also require that there is a deposit guarantee scheme for protection of depositors up to 100k EUR, based on country where…

Then there are failures at multiple levels here:

a. Icelandic government failed in allowing a bank registered in the country to venture in a scheme that scales to such high amounts, given they need to guarantee their failure.

b. The EU/EEA failed in not taking in account the size of the host country economy.

c. The UK failed in not challenging this private venture at the EU/EEA level while it was happening. As they should have known Iceland was not equipped to dealing with a potential failure. The UK should have warned it's citizens as well.

d. The EU/EEA fail in not holding the people responsible for the damage caused by owners of private banks. Both Iceland and the UK share this failure since they can seek reparations on a national level.

Note that none of these failures are the fault of the UK nor the Icelandic taxpayers. Focusing the following court cases on those was a mistake. Sheltering the obvious villain of this disaster was another mistake. Allowing that villain to carry on and not pay any damage is ludicrous.

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> seem to be saying that renewables require improvement due to the scale of the problem. Certainly they must be competitive in terms of energy density otherwise how can they substantially displace another energy source? Today renewable tech is not energy dense enough. > Once renewables are sufficiently cheap ..cheap in total lifecycle cost (not end user cost of panel), carbon negative and sufficiently energy dense (t…

> This implies regulatory disincentives to produce and consume fossil fuels. It's relevant to note that at no time in recorded human history have humans backed off the consumption of an energy source unless a better replacement (more dense) was found. We have plenty of examples of humans forgoing technologies that turned out to have downsides. And it's a near universal truth that dire warnings were given about these…

> plenty of examples of forgoing technologies

I didn't say technologies, I said energy sources.

> batteries do not have to become as energy dense as diesel

We need a storage mechanism that allows the energy gained from renewable sources to power things without interruption.

Two examples illustrate the problem today - for renewables to power a cargo ship the battery load-out required to move that loaded container ship would materially reduce its cargo capacity because it's wasting so much space and mass on literally tons of batteries. Compare the capacity, speed, and installed power of MV Yara Birkeland (electric container ship) to the OOCL Hong Kong (diesel powered cargo ship) for an idea. Another example is Tokyo suffering a predictable 3-day cyclone every year, where 27 million people need 22 gigawatts of electricity. Imagine the battery array needed for that (with its inherent cost, maintenance, limited lifespan and acres of space in a space-constrained land). So these are two easy examples of why storage density needs to increase by orders of magnitude to meet the bar you set of 100% replacement.

It won't be Li-Ion, it has to be something else, but that "something else" doesn't exist yet and the track record of an annualized 5% efficiency improvement for storage tech (which is generous but imagine even doubling it to 10%) per year won't catch up in our lifetimes. The math speaks for itself.

> roadblock is not technology, it's proper carbon pricing

If it were just pricing, it presumes that I have equivalent systems to implement and I just need to pay a premium for one vs the other. But that's not the case as illustrated in the examples above (and there are many, many more - airplanes, continuous smelting) where the existing energy storage tech doesn't work. So technology is an enormous roadblock.

As to carbon pricing - carbon pricing regimes require world-wide cooperation. IF you can get that, it effectively means limiting fossil fuel usage, right? Otherwise why are we doing it?

So limiting fossil fuel usage in a situation where there is no suitable replacement as described above, ultimately means you need to tell some guy in India that he can't have an air conditioner and some family in Africa that their agriculture development programs need to take a hit for lack of synthesized ammonia. This is a very unequal proposition. Alternatively, you can preserve that growth rate in the developing world and tell people in the developed world that they need to rewind their lifestyles in all ways (housing, vehicle mass, etc) to the early 1960's, which is when the US last had a consumption rate at the level needed to impact global warming. This is probably the preferable solution, but how tenable do you think either of these propositions really are?

There are undeniable humanitarian costs - not just monetary costs - to reducing fossil fuel use today when there are no (at scale) suitable replacements.

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The idea is not to avoid black swan events entirely, it is to have pockets that are missed by a given event. Earth goes cold? Well, good thing the moon base can preserve technology and knowledge for a hundred years. Solar flare? Good thing we have the under-ice base on Europa. Europa explodes? Good thing that we are still on Earth. Now if they all happen at the same time, like the sun dying, then that is why you want…

What event would leave the Earth less habitable than the Moon already is?

Anything that would block sunlight for an extended period.
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