Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

Post by mushufasa » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 11:51 PM UTC

tppiotrowski wrote: post #237

mushufasa wrote: post #121

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I've tried Google Meet, Jitsi, and some other things, but Zoom is the only service that my 6+ year old laptop can handle for more than 5 min without nosediving into 100% CPU usage and freezing up. Does anyone have other suggestions? Either for other services or for troubleshooting Jitsi?

Are you trying to do one-on-one of many-to-many calls? If you're doing just one-on-one there is very basic webrtc in web browser service[1]. I've also made my own for quickly connecting with people online[2], not sure if it's your use case though... [1] https://peercalls.com/ [2] https://tedpiotrowski.svbtle.com/moonlite

Post by loceng » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #295

DominikPeters wrote: post #292

Article has been updated with a statement from Zoom: > Update: A Zoom spokesperson confirmed to Axios that the account had been closed "to comply with local law" and said it had now been re-activated. > “Just like any global company, we must comply with applicable laws in the jurisdictions where we operate. When a meeting is held across different countries, the participants within those countries are required to comp…

Yes, it seems like this was ultimately a bit of a nothingburger. As much as we may not like it (and I certainly personally don't), China has the authority to censor the internet within its borders. Zoom literally has no choice but to follow China's law within China's borders, if it is to provide its product there at all. Zoom accidentally deactivated a US-based account, and fixed it when they found out. At worst, in…

Post by loceng » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

wonnage wrote: post #230

crazygringo wrote: post #107

I'd just like to see more evidence and information before making judgment here. There's no response from Zoom whatsoever, which is odd. Could this have been other users maliciously reporting the account as abuse, and it was closed automatically? Or something else similar? Or if China is putting pressure on Zoom, then how exactly? If Zoom, an American company, really did intentionally close the account of someone livi…

It looks like the account was reinstated: https://twitter.com/ZhouFengSuo/status/1270828746589769732?s... My guess is that they were under pressure to close all the accounts in the meeting, backpedaled after the article, and reenabled the non-Chinese ones. Honestly, if they just did this to begin with, it'd be understandable? They just fucked up and blocked the non-China accounts too, triggering the China Watchers of…

Post by longtom » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:00 AM UTC

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Is Google really any better? They may simply be better at hiding their surveillance apparatus. We need to decentralize, i.e. destroy large non-decentralized organizations.

Absolutely, don't be ridiculous. Google is not and will never be complicit to Chinese censorship in America. This is classic whataboutism and we don't benefit from such hyperbole.

Post by eeZah7Ux » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:01 AM UTC

frabbit wrote: post #91

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Not all governments are equal. Cut out this whaddaboutism. Edit: When I replied, OP was simply “governments monitor all major companies... including the US government”

S/he is not saying all governments are equal in all respects. As far as we know only the Chinese, Russians and the 5-Eyes have the technical capacity to monitor us all and have been caught out doing it. So yes, you are correct: not all governments are equal, but the US and Chinese are similar in their practical totalitarian capacities.