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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by corrys »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #149
_bxg1 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find ourselves in. When they can kill someone who isn't a threat, on camera, and face no consequences, why…

> We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. I don't doubt this, but I don't see how you get from there to "there is no liability at all". > The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find our…

> Your premise is wrong.

You are both right. However, in the article [1] a large number of police officers were either acquitted, are awaiting sentencing, or were not punished, what the general population would consider, fairly.

When we hear about police departments agreeing to settle - that does not give us, as a society, a closure. Individual police officers have committed crimes, but now the tax payers are paying for that? That's not accountability.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by take_a_breath »

Jenz wrote: post #272
take_a_breath wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

==I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department.== Never heard it put quite this way. Well said!

Being a punctuation mark enthusiast, I’m very interested where you got that ⟨==xxx==⟩ notation from

I like the way it highlights a quote without having to deal with a bunch of actual quotation marks. If something you want to quote includes quotation marks it can be confusing to read (especially on mobile). It also reminds me of commenting out things when programming.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Jenz wrote: post #272
take_a_breath wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

==I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department.== Never heard it put quite this way. Well said!

Being a punctuation mark enthusiast, I’m very interested where you got that ⟨==xxx==⟩ notation from

Looks like one of the wiki dialects.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by dang »

xxs wrote: post #154
elliekelly wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could be mistaken but I thought even though users have the ability to flag a post the post itself doesn’t become “flagged” until several different people flag it.

Of course. That's the point: creating new accounts and getting 51 karma is not hard - there are no requirements to be "different people", just different accounts.

The flags were overwhelmingly by long-established users including many whose past comments suggest that their sympathies would be with CNN in this situation.

Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23349814)? They ask you not to post like this for a reason. The reason is that the posts are nearly always wrong. Probably more than 99% of the time even if one counts generously.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by apta »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #2

Note that Minneapolis state police have claimed that the reporters were released from jail the following morning after confirming themselves as media, which CNN responded by saying they had identified themselves before their arrest and it was only through the Goverers interference that their reporters were released the following morning.

Do those crewmen have an arrest record now? How can it affect their future employment or other conducts?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by curiousgeorgio »

crakhamster01 wrote: post #326
curiousgeorgio wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is meta, but... seriously people, what's with all the downvotes? How could more information/context around a current event be a bad thing? I've been watching what happens, at they always come almost exactly 2 minutes after I post something - on this and another account I use. It's pretty clear that there's some downvote bot activity going on (in addition to the usual "haters").

I get that more context is always better, but the notion of "context" is infinitely expandable. What were these reporters doing in the hour prior to the arrest? Oh, nothing? Well, where were they at the start of the riots? Just getting to the scene? Hmm well, what's the police officer's story; has he had bad experiences with the press in the past? And so on... Most people have seen enough coverage of police officers…

> Most people have seen enough coverage of police officers doing unreasonable things in order to make a judgement call

Bingo! That's the problem. People are making "judgement calls" based on highly publicized, recent cases of police officers doing "unreasonable things". Those cases represent prejudice, and last I checked, people are still innocent until proven guilty in this country. That goes for the reporters and the officers involved.

As for the amount of context we have relative to the video that's been published, I think any reasonable judge would conclude that (1) the person operating the camera was almost certainly recording before what we've seen published, (2) the events on published video obviously seem to refer to events that happened before what we see, and (3) those events that happened before are not just circumstantial details - they could easily swing the case in either direction. So yes, more context in this situation is absolutely necessary. Make no confusion - I'm not asking about what they ate for breakfast.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by apta »

coffeefirst wrote: post #186
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

It isn't legal. There will be a civil suit, and the city will likely settle for a dollar amount covered by their insurance.

Paid for by taxes.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by throwaway894345 »

corrys wrote: post #331
throwaway894345 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. I don't doubt this, but I don't see how you get from there to "there is no liability at all". > The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find our…

> Your premise is wrong. You are both right. However, in the article [1] a large number of police officers were either acquitted, are awaiting sentencing, or were not punished, what the general population would consider, fairly. When we hear about police departments agreeing to settle - that does not give us, as a society, a closure. Individual police officers have committed crimes, but now the tax payers are paying…

I generally agree with the above, but you're framing this as a disagreement which makes me think you misunderstood the context of the thread.

My position is that there is some accountability but it's not sufficient for any reasonable standard of justice.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by maest »

acobster wrote: post #123
maest wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looked like they were hauling people off one-by-one, which could reasonably be standard procedure for riot situations. Isolate individuals from the group and handle them separately - that sort of thing. Moreover, they started with the reporter, since he seemed to be the leader of the group (e.g. he was the one doing the talking).

So, your defense of these actions is that the cops can't discern the difference between press and rioters, so best just arrest them all "one by one"? What part of that is reasonable? Just because it's "standard procedure" does not mean it's justified.

You may have misread me. I'm not justfying their actions - I'm just saying it's not clear they were targeting solely the reporter. It's possible that the plan was to take everyone in custody, one-by-one. You have to start with someone and the reporter seems like the natural choice.
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