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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of them disagree with this thankfully. But to be fair, I've seen a lot of supposed progressives on Twitter suddenly finding themselves very concerned with the rights of private businesses.

Uh... are "progressives" opposed to private businesses having rights?

Colorado bakery. Yes, they're opposed to private businesses having rights, when it conflicts with something they consider more socially necessary.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#332
It's basically too late.

First, the administration must formulate the rule itself. In formulating the rule, it must also provide supporting documentation justifying the rulemaking, which must include a record of the data looked at in deciding upon the need for the rule, research and conclusions drawn from that data. If the research is external to the agency, they must also justify the selection of research used in drafting the rulemaking.

Once the proposed rule is published in the federal register, there is a comment period of at least 60 days or up to 180 days (depending on the complexity of the rule).

The administration must then spend time reviewing the comments. It doesn't need to respond to comments individually but it does need to address all of the issues raised by those comments, especially if the issues raise constitutional concerns.

Assuming that they get that out of the way without modifying the proposed rule (which could trigger another comment period, depending on the extent of the changes), the final version of the rule must then be published in the federal register.

A final rule does not take effect until at least 30 days after it is published in the federal register. There are very few rules which can be ex post facto (generally only rules that grant additional rights or freedoms, or which are tax-related).

So, even assuming the the crackerjacks in the Trump Administration could get a proposed rule out tomorrow, and review comments after the comment period in one day, they're still looking at 92 days before the rule could take effect, or approximately the end of August.

Note:this doesn't include challenges to the rule proceeding through the federal court system. While SCOTUS could theoretically hear emergency appeals to a temporary injunction or district court ruling on the merits, they've refused to grant appeals in much less contentious cases where they ultimate sided with the administration. If they were to do so, the ruling would come in the middle of the electoral cycle, and it would likely result in the Democrats taking the House, Senate, and Presidency. And then they could simply override the rule using the APA in January.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#333
post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If enough people feel that it has a bias, and are discontent with it, they are free to start their own platform. They are also free to not moderate their platform, or even moderate it with whatever bias they so choose. This has happened a few times (Voat, Gab) and the utopia of a hands-off content platform has never played out to anything other than a cesspool. Popular platforms remain popular and useful because they…

> If enough people feel that it has a bias, and are discontent with it, they are free to start their own platform. This is, of course, disingenuous. It's like saying, just a monolithic railroad company was about to bulldoze your house in the mid 1800s, "If you're discontent, you can always start your own railroad company." We're dealing with a complex system of interconnected motivations. "Start your own Twitter" is…

Unless I'm mistaken, Twitter isn't really in the business of bulldozing houses or otherwise introducing themselves into your daily life without consent - the simile feels forced.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #284

Why is this the First Amendment issue? Trump was not blocked from tweeting. Twitter just added one small sign next to his tweets. Even Trump owns his tweets and Twitter owns the rest of the webpage.

It doesn't have anything to do with blocking Trump or fact checking him. It has to do with bias against conservatives. Trump had talked about this well before he was fact checked.

From a few days ago (prior to Trump being fact checked): https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/23/21268433/president-trump-...

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #4

All because Twitter dared to fact check him.

devil's advocate: why doesn't Twitter fact check everyone? Twitter is picking sides on a comment made by a user so they should be held liable for that content

> devil's advocate: why doesn't Twitter fact check everyone?

They're fact checking more than just Trump:

https://twitter.com/icecube/status/1265623592764534784

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238269193427906560

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#336
post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If enough people feel that it has a bias, and are discontent with it, they are free to start their own platform. They are also free to not moderate their platform, or even moderate it with whatever bias they so choose. This has happened a few times (Voat, Gab) and the utopia of a hands-off content platform has never played out to anything other than a cesspool. Popular platforms remain popular and useful because they…

> If enough people feel that it has a bias, and are discontent with it, they are free to start their own platform. This is, of course, disingenuous. It's like saying, just a monolithic railroad company was about to bulldoze your house in the mid 1800s, "If you're discontent, you can always start your own railroad company." We're dealing with a complex system of interconnected motivations. "Start your own Twitter" is…

Wrong, because no one is bulldozing your house.

You’re on a street with a 100 houses and one of them is having a cool party. But the cool kids don’t like you and don’t want you in their house. The other 99 houses (Gab, Mastodon, theDonald.win , bulletin boards, etc.) welcome you in, but you don’t think their owners are cool and don’t want to hang with them.

Should the government force the owner of the cool party house to let you hang with the cool kids?

Many would say that violates freedom of association.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is _the_ place where political discourse happens. It's an unfortunate state of affairs for some that it happens to be a private company with a bias. And for better of for worse it does have a bias.

What’s the bias? It’s verifiable facts versus lies and disinformation.

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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#338

I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

Sorry big tech is subject to antitrust laws that have been on the books for 120+ years. The Federal Government could break Twitter up into 10 different pieces if it deemed the service a monopoly. That's not totalitarian, that's clearly justified. These platforms claim all the immunity of a utility while actively engaging in algorithmic and human-induced bias that completely slants the platform. In some cases the platform elevates and upholds the viewpoints of foreign nations above our own. That is not totalitarian. Targeting a specific political party for undue censorship and opinion meddling is totalitarian.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#339

I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

Trump is salty because supposedly these social media platforms lean left and are biased against the right. I can bet if it was the other way around, he wouldn't sign this. It is absolutely a partisan thing. I am not even saying whether he is right or wrong in his claim. But he is doing this only because the social media platforms supposedly hurt the right more.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#340
Regardless of ones views pertaining to the current president, does anyone feel comfortable with so called "fact checking"? I do not like anyone acting as the sole arbiter of truth, whether it be the president, the pope, or the random fellow screaming in the park. I prefer that corporations trust their users to make their own choices about what people say instead of making edits or including addendum's to peoples posts. The people made the platform successful, let the people decide what is wrong and what is right, what is true and what is false, what is fact is and what is fiction.
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