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Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by mav3rick »

sparkie wrote: post #318
mav3rick wrote: post #305

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FCM is part of the core API now. They don't want other shitty solutions constantly waking the device up and eating your battery. That is why only FCM i.e. a trusted source is white listed. It's easy to peddle half truths hear just give it an anti Google color and carry your pitch forks.

We went quickly from "Why shouldn't they charge for a great product?" to "they deliberately toasted competing solutions by creating a white-list with only their own." Admittedly, some other solutions were shitty and ate into the battery, but this wasn't the case for everything and forcing everyone onto a proprietary platform if they need an always connected background service is not "a great product," but a defective…

This is literally what Apple does and HN goes gaga over it. Literally only first party core services are allowed and given special privileges.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by mav3rick »

sparkie wrote: post #182
mav3rick wrote: post #115

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Why shouldn't they charge for a great product ? When Google charges it's a problem when they don't charge it's a problem.

The problem is they've forced people to use the product by hindering their ability to run background services without it. Since Oreo, background services are turned to idle unless they receive high priority push notifications from FCM.

And this is done to tackle the horrendous battery issues.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by mercer »

rakoo wrote: post #227
mercer wrote: post #199

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That would be step one out of the first three that I bother with :).

I read "skipping steps 1-3" instead of "keeping steps 1-3", my bad. Do you have good resources for learning Elixir with OTP and Phoenix ? I also believe LiveView can deliver the 80% of functionalities for 20% of the price, so I'm very interested in learning it

I can also recommend Programming Phoenix. I've also heard good things about the LiveView courses on the Pragmatic Studio.

"Programming Elixir" and "Designing Elixir Systems with OTP" are also good, the former more so if you get started. From what I remember "Programming Phoenix" was enough to get started though, and these two books are better at getting deeper knowledge of Elixir/OTP.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by sparkie »

mav3rick wrote: post #331
sparkie wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We went quickly from "Why shouldn't they charge for a great product?" to "they deliberately toasted competing solutions by creating a white-list with only their own." Admittedly, some other solutions were shitty and ate into the battery, but this wasn't the case for everything and forcing everyone onto a proprietary platform if they need an always connected background service is not "a great product," but a defective…

This is literally what Apple does and HN goes gaga over it. Literally only first party core services are allowed and given special privileges.

Yeah, I wouldn't touch an Apple product either.

I get your point that people expect differently from Google, but Google brought that upon themselves by marketing Android as an open source alternative to iOS. Now they've got the market share and developers, they're no longer interested in marketing it this way and are now apparently more interested in cementing the walled garden.

The battery issue is a valid concern, but I don't buy that this policy is purely to fix that problem. They took the opportunity to make sure people are passing all of their data through Google services in order to have full functionality on their devices.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by elitan »

sandGorgon wrote: post #152
kiwicopple wrote: post #70

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npm install supabase ? :) More client libraries coming soon https://www.npmjs.com/package/@supabase/supabase-js

:) Look I get the sentiment, but you know what I mean. Graphql would be a killer feature.

Check out Hasura (https://hasura.io)

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by fulafel »

kiwicopple wrote: post #79
2mol wrote: post #75

This looks great, however at first peek it doesn't mention anything about auth. Do you have any plans for that? For me this is the topic I most want to just delegate to the service. Dashboard, realtime stuff, etc are great too. RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST [0], which is insanely excellent, so the value I'm looking for is to have everything managed, from hosting/storage, to security, to all the othe…

See my comments on Auth here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320443 > We want to nail the auth and we're looking at leveraging Postgres' native Row Level Security. This is a tricky task to "generalize" for all businesses but we have some good ideas (we're discussing in our repo if you want to follow - https://github.com/supabase/supabase ) > RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST That's what we use!…

Are you also using PostgREST in the backend to provide the APIs, or are your REST APIs and hence client libs PostgREST compatible?

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by brokenmachine »

Havoc wrote: post #317
tssva wrote: post #154

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If you've built your business so it is dependent on someone else's pricing model the problem is of your own making.

Think you’ll have a hard time building a business without being dependent on a suppliers Pricing model

The problem is making yourself completely dependent on a single supplier.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by brokenmachine »

mav3rick wrote: post #331
sparkie wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We went quickly from "Why shouldn't they charge for a great product?" to "they deliberately toasted competing solutions by creating a white-list with only their own." Admittedly, some other solutions were shitty and ate into the battery, but this wasn't the case for everything and forcing everyone onto a proprietary platform if they need an always connected background service is not "a great product," but a defective…

This is literally what Apple does and HN goes gaga over it. Literally only first party core services are allowed and given special privileges.

Apple is routinely bashed around here, and rightly so.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by mav3rick »

sparkie wrote: post #334
mav3rick wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally what Apple does and HN goes gaga over it. Literally only first party core services are allowed and given special privileges.

Yeah, I wouldn't touch an Apple product either. I get your point that people expect differently from Google, but Google brought that upon themselves by marketing Android as an open source alternative to iOS. Now they've got the market share and developers, they're no longer interested in marketing it this way and are now apparently more interested in cementing the walled garden. The battery issue is a valid concern,…

I'd rather have good battery than random HN flame bait. 99% of users will too.
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