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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by bdcravens »

LeftCorner wrote: post #142
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

I been using ColdFusion for over 20 years. The HTML it creates can be as simple or complex as the developer intends. The output can last decades without updating, I don't understand your comparison.

They weren't talking about the output. They were talking about availability of hosting.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by kome »

scarface74 wrote: post #229
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

You realize that you’re talking about a FrontPage site. The very definition of building something on a technology that won’t last.

but look at the code... are modern website really better? i think that FrontPage did an awesome job there.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by btrettel »

WorldMaker wrote: post #330
btrettel wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you entirely on the abandoning of conventions with HTML. I haven't paid much attention to multi-column layouts in CSS over the years but my impression is that it's gone from tables to CSS floats to whatever CSS does now that I'm not familiar with. Browsers are typically backwards compatible so this isn't that big of a deal to me. But I have no idea if what's regarded as the best practice today will be se…

Semi-relatedly, I think even the linear form of UnicodeMath [1] is very readable, and it would be great if there was more support for building it up into nicer presentation forms in the browser wild (MathJax has had it on the backlog since at least 2015, for instance), as that seems to me to be a better "fallback" situation than raw MathML given its readability when not built up. [1] http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn28…

Thanks for mentioning UnicodeMath. That does seems like a better fallback solution than raw MathML. It appears there's a newer version of the document you linked to that was posted on HN, by the way: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14687936

I'll also look more closely at CSS Grid.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by smush »

dwheeler wrote: post #186

My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com . Geocrasher said: > I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page. Yes. I don't get pai…

No kidding. Already, I've found some interesting articles to read.

I'm taking a look at https://dwheeler.com/essays/easy-cross-platform-gui.html, which has references to XULRunner etc. which since 2009 have fallen out of favor.

Would you continue to recommend those wanting to invest in (for the 80% of use cases) wxWidgets for FLOSS cross-platform GUI apps? BoaConstructor et. al look interesting.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this comment. If it helps give you some context, I'll throw in that I currently am most familiar with WinForms .NET apps or very small Win32 native applications, and have avoided JS successfully so far.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by WorldMaker »

StavrosK wrote: post #133
jgrahamc wrote: post #18

My 23 year old web site: https://jgc.org/ It's still updated from a Perl script that generates static HTML.

So I wanted to link my 23 year old website, but precisely because it's still updated, it looks like this: https://www.stavros.io/ It's gone through many renames and redesigns, but, in true Japanese style, it's still the same website. I do have an old snapshot, though: https://anonymoussoftware.stavros.io/

Similarly, I feel a continuity in how old my website is, but in Ship of Theseus fashion lots of little parts changed over the years (and pieces were lost to storms, etc). I was really excited at one point to find an old time capsule of a snapshot from a particular redesign I recall being fond of around 1999: http://worldmaker.net/wmo99/

Amusing to myself and contributing to overall Ship of Theseus analogy, the current design is a responsive, flexbox-based recreation of sorts of the original goals for that 1999 site. I'd like to think the 1999 version of myself would very much appreciate it (especially after all the work in making corner GIFs versus the magic of CSS border-radius, and fighting TABLEs for layous).

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by dmz73 »

usrusr wrote: post #304
scarface74 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t tried to run 16 bit software on 64 bit Windows have you?

And so the mystery of why a 32bit version of Windows 10 still exists is solved. What's mildly annoying is that much of the early 32bit Windows software came packaged in 16 bit installers. Office 97 would be such a breeze on modern hardware.

Office 97 can be installed on 64 bit windows 10 with original installer. I have done it just last month and it runs without any problems... and it is fast.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by [deleted] »

shaneprrlt wrote: post #213

You're telling me their site still works in 2020 without needing to serve the client as a server-side rendered react app with the data being provided by several node.js microservices containerized and deployed to a kubernetes cluster and accessed through a GraphQL interface? IMPOSSIBLE!

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by iamaelephant »

sidarape wrote: post #271
dwheeler wrote: post #186

My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com . Geocrasher said: > I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page. Yes. I don't get pai…

You could use a static website generator such as Jekyll or Hugo. Then, if the tools stop working for any reason, you always have the generated HTML than you can update.

Or you could not do that. Did he not just show that his way works just fine?

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by batirch »

JasonFruit wrote: post #219
oftenwrong wrote: post #170

There is a search engine dedicated to finding "classic" websites: https://wiby.me/ Click the "surprise me..." link to see a random one.

That could eat up some hours. I landed on a model airplane site and started getting sucked in before realizing I have work to do.

With the surprise me button I found Berkshire Hathaway website.

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/

This is really cool search engine :D

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