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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Because no one has to use it. You can still use any other sign in option including good old email if you want.

Not true. If you use any other social media signing, you must also support Sign In With Apple. You can, however, continue to use good old email alone.

Developers have to implement it, But users don’t have to use it.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

Edit: a lot of people are asking how I am working on a cross-platform app but I can't afford an iPhone / Mac to test on.

To be clear I did resolve this situation with the Apple ID by asking an iOS-focused teammate of mine to test the app for me, that's somewhat besides the point though.

I was trying to add a feature, Sign in with Apple, to my Android app. This is supposed to be possible. It turns out it is, but it was significantly harder than adding any other form of authentication to my app than I've ever tried.

If they want it to be developer friendly they could:

  * Allow the creating of "testing" Apple IDs without the 2FA requirement

  * Have docs that actually mention best practices on non-iOS platforms

  * Maybe even provide a basic SDK
I wasn't calling Apple evil or saying I couldn't afford a Mac, I was just calling out a bad developer experience.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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I feel like reason you can move is because you haven't put all your eggs in their walled garden, not that they don't have one. I know people who either won't or have regretted switching from an iPhone because they have trouble talking to their friend who only use iMessage. I think Apple is only increasing their walled garden into more areas by expanding into music streaming, TV, etc. You can still use their hardware…

If iMessage is a walled garden, then pretty much every other messaging system is also a walled garden since the death of XMPP. Can anyone build a a third party client for WhatsApp or any other popular messaging system in 2020? Im unaware of any. In fact the top result for “third party whatsapp client” is “Use a third party WhatsApp client and be banned for life”. [0] Hardly the behavior of an open system. What your r…

A bit of a late reply, but there were a couple of points that I wanted to respond to. The first is that I'm not holding up WhatsApp as a great example! I use, promote, and have done a bit of development on Matrix, a true open messaging system. If XMPP or IRC floats your boat, I'm all for that as well, and I'll be able to chat with you over the XMPP and IRC Matrix bridges because all 3 are open systems. Second is how high the wall of your walled garden is matters, and matters a lot. Sure I can't write my own WhatsApp client, but I can download the app relatively easily on both Android and iOS. To communicate with people over iMessage I would have to buy a different phone and accept everything that comes with it (including the rest of the walled garden, appwise, oswise, etc). Finally, when I said they were doing it for profit I meant that the fact that iMessage only works with Apple products makes it such that if you want a good communication experience with your Apple-only friends you also have to buy into the ecosystem, and once you have it's hard to get out because you might lose those connections.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Why would they care? What do they have to gain? While they are not the typical shareholder-directed company you'd normally see they are definitely still in it for the money. And since the market has shifted to services, ecosystem and larger user bases, there is no money or benefit to be gained from an investment to include people that are not your target audience. That has shifted slightly since as a services company…

Why does Google make Duo and Hangouts work on iOS and Android? I'm sorry but outright making it hard for a non-significant subsection of people to buy music on your music store is just plain stupid. The only way to justify it is that losing such customers is worth it if it helps them keep their walled garden tight.

Because Google makes money by harvesting data and providing paid services to as many users as possible, while Apple makes money by selling a UX. It's much harder to sell UX to every possible market segment than to have varying degrees of UX and still make money off of just that. That's why the business models between them differ (just like Microsoft differs from both of them yet again - even if there are a lot of comparable practises).

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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I just tried to register a new account at Wordpress but it's not working. Any other sites that you know?

I work at WordPress, what wasn’t working?

I click the "Use Apple" button and it takes me back at the same page with "you need a valid email account". This is on the ro.wordpress.com. Maybe it matters.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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You should be using this: https://support.apple.com/guide/apple-business-manager/what-... https://support.apple.com/guide/apple-business-manager/creat... Not the consumer Apple IDs. This lets you programically generate the Apple IDs (you can even set permissions on them). Works great. Not that they've made it straightforward to make it explicit who should use what, or anything, but they do have solutions for this. It…

I guess this also requires an organisation/business account? Because I can't get that either, because Apple doesn't allow sole proprietors like myself to get a business account. I can only get an individual account. Which means that I can't add my employees to my team.

Only a DUNS number, IIRC, which any registered business can get for free

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Developer of a recently launched app with Sign in with Apple here. I watched the keynote where they launched Sign in with Apple and was honestly surprised at how easy the implementation was. I thought it was a no-brainer to add it to my app. So, I follow their (severely lacking) docs and the keynote and get a solution working. Once the user logs in, their APIs hand you a token that you can then send to the server. Th…

Unless I've missed something, it's worse than that: even if you do verify the token, it only lasts for ten minutes, so you are obligated to tie it to some other form of auth unless you want your users to re-authenticate every ten minutes. However many developers can correctly follow the meager instructions to validate a token, the number who will properly implement a full auth system is even smaller...

Well, it is called "Sign in with apple", not "Sessions with apple". Keeping sessions in a secure way is on the developer.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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I work at WordPress, what wasn’t working?

I click the "Use Apple" button and it takes me back at the same page with "you need a valid email account". This is on the ro.wordpress.com. Maybe it matters.

That doesn't sound right :( Did you use an "anonymous" email through Apple or your real email address?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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What are your problems with Firefox?

Major issues: 1. Lack of multilingual spell checking (without having to manually switch languages). For non English natives this is a must since we write in at least 2 languages every day. There is an extension that tries to solve this but it is quite slow to the point that I've had to disable it. 2. It just feels slower than Chromium browsers and Safari, at least on macOS. In Windows it's blazing fast but I have a R…

I don't think major 2 is objectively true. Firefox is faster than Chrome in every benchmark test I've seen for two years now.

As for minor 4, the blame is with developer. The API that was eliminated was EOLed long before they removed it, and it looks like he's doing some security violation https://github.com/gigobyte/ui-stack/issues/6

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Which one? Hangouts runs on iOS. The one for SMS and MMS does not but does Apple even allow that?

hangouts is dead, so again can i run googles sms app on an iphone? further google killed xmpp support which would’ve allowed 3rd party clients to use their message services

I admit I haven't checked what Google's messaging offerings are this month.
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