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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jdhn »

jedberg wrote: post #260
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #237

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So you want to create a upper middle class transient population that is mostly tech workers? Because if prop 13 is repealed..after 15-20 years of work, the retired tech employees can’t afford annual increase in taxes either. Or is this just to get seniors to leave Bay Area by making it unaffordable for them?

Being priced out of one's home is a red herring that the low tax zealots want you to believe to keep prop 13 in place. Somehow in the 49 other states that don't have Prop 13, people aren't priced out of their homes from taxes. There are other options. There are home equity lines, reverse mortgages, or even freezing tax payments and adding them as liens on the property at time of transfer. But even if you're worried a…

>Somehow in the 49 other states that don't have Prop 13, people aren't priced out of their homes from taxes.

Allow me to introduce you to the great state of New Jersey. People here are absolutely priced out because of the property taxes, especially older retired couples and low earners who may have a house but hit hard financial times. A $400k house will probably have property taxes over $10k.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

tmh79 wrote: post #310
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #279

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Property taxes are paid on the sale price. It is not a punitive tax to fund new entrants. An example: Consider a 75 year old senior couple on fixed retirement income living in their fully paid 40 year old home. They paid the 300k mortgage and the house is worth 1 million.They raised their kids who attended public schools for 12 years each. Property taxes are used for public school education. 45% of California budget…

Senior citizens in the other 49 states are doing just fine. There are problems with increasing property taxes on elderly folks on fixed incomes, the solution isn't to say "you never own any tax on the appreciated value" the solution is to say "you can pay the tax on the appreciated value when you sell your home" which is an insane liberal tax and spend policy practiced in the hippie haven of the... state of Texas. Ad…

maybe because young people in other 49 streets are not trying to make their senior citizenry homeless by increasing their taxes to educate their children for free.

Inheritance should be taxed at assessed value as should rental properties as well as commercial properties. Primary homes should not have prop 13 protections repealed. It’s not an investment to many..it’s their home.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by PeterisP »

pmiller2 wrote: post #312
nradov wrote: post #302

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California has largely become a single party state. I'm not trying to start an argument between Democrats and Republicans here, but we can clearly see a pattern everywhere in the world. Once single party rule is institutionalized the politicians are no longer accountable to voter interests.

Not really. The farm valleys are very, very red, while the major cities are very, very blue. I would say CA is a very politically polarized state.

Don't the farm valleys have much less people than the cities? The map might look as if the colors are balanced, but the population density matters.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by [deleted] »

charlesu wrote: post #314
GhettoChild wrote: post #280

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The main difference I see between Illinois and CA/NY is that the cost of housing is MUCH more reasonable so that the overall cost of living in the area is MUCH more reasonable.

It's not more reasonable when you consider the property taxes. A $350,000 house looks great until you factor in $10,000 annual property taxes.

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by NoRagrets »

sjg007 wrote: post #297
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #279

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Property taxes are paid on the sale price. It is not a punitive tax to fund new entrants. An example: Consider a 75 year old senior couple on fixed retirement income living in their fully paid 40 year old home. They paid the 300k mortgage and the house is worth 1 million.They raised their kids who attended public schools for 12 years each. Property taxes are used for public school education. 45% of California budget…

Normally property taxes are paid based on assessed value. Assessed value is a function of market value that is determined recent neighborhood/comparable sales. The problem with Prop 13 is that it doesn't allow for the taxes to capture increased market value.

Why should taxes capture market value? That’s surrender to the state to keep taxing us.

To ask for higher taxation is asking for the state to take care of individual expenses through redistribution of wealth. Other states don’t offer as many services as California which is practically a nanny state.

The young people are expecting the state to do the grabbing so they can be taken care by the state. This is mostly due to public schools brainwashing kids with extreme progressive liberalism.

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Post by diafygi »

junar wrote: post #328
reaperducer wrote: post #180

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Serious question:do you still vote Democrat? He said "Houston," so chances are the answer is yes. People outside of Texas like to pretend that it's a solid red state. They conveniently don't bother to look at electoral maps and pretend that Austin doesn't exist so long as they can make jokes about where someone else lives.

They also said "suburb", though. While many congressional districts in the city proper are dominated by Democrats, the suburbs usually go to the Republicans.

That's becoming less true, especially around Houston, where there were several district flips to blue in the last midterms, even with the heavy Republican gerrymandering.

https://www.kut.org/post/texas-suburbs-are-slipping-away-gop...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by danans »

reilly3000 wrote: post #152
sudosteph wrote: post #56

Native North Carolinian checking in. I'm from Charlotte and I can honestly say that I grew up with more friends who had parents from New York than from NC. A lot of middle class people from upstate NY settled in Charlotte due to the economic opportunities and weather. I'd wager that this migration really started about 30 years ago, and we're seeing the numbers increase even further due to network effects. For example…

Washingtonians (and moreso Idahoans) are particularly irate about Californians moving in, and have been for as long as I can remember. There are a lot of "salt of the earth" types who, regardless of political persuasion, see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. The Northwest ethos has been one of eclectic flavors of stoicism, serenity, and a nordic work ethic. Californians, in their…

> see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic.

I seriously doubt any place can make a defensible claim to high morals anymore, but big houses as a stereotype for California? I think that applies way more to Idaho. Space is too expensive for most people to live in big houses in CA. If anything, they go to lower population density states like TX and the South to get the bigger houses available there.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by rb808 »

sharkmerry wrote: post #80
rb808 wrote: post #49

To me its fascinating the growth of state's pop. TX is sucking up people so fast. NY has hardly changed in 70 years. State 1850 1900 1950 2020 NY 3 7 17 19 IL 1 4.8 8.7 13 CA .1 1.5 10.5 39 TX .2 3 8 29 FL .1 0.5 2.7 21

According to your Numbers from 1950 to 2020, Texas only went up 3.625x. CA went up 3.71x and Florida did 7.77x. Definitely grew compared to New york, but hardly sucking up people so fast

You're right, just the last 10-30 years CA pop growth has stopped while TX has continued at 20%/decade.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

malandrew wrote: post #304
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #288

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Moving where? Why should people leave their homes that they built and paid for ..Human beings like their community and neighborhood where they have a support system. When you know your neighbour is just a phone call away next door, you don’t have to rely on doctors or nurses or ambulances or fire departments. As you get older, community is a great source of comfort and moral support. People won’t realize this until t…

> Human beings like their community What community? Most members of someone's community in SF that didn't buy early enough have been priced out of the city. The native San Franciscan is a rarity precisely because of bad policy like Prop 13.

We are all only educated by our limited views.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by yongjik »

njarboe wrote: post #317
jvanderbot wrote: post #305

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California allows two candidates from the same party to run against eachother. Do other states not?

It is worse than that. With the passage of the "Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act" California has open primaries (anyone can vote for anyone on the ballot in the primaries) and only the top two get to be on the main ballot. So many times only two Democrats are on the ballot with no Republican candidate at all. Not a good situation in my opinion.

It would actually work in favor of Republican-inclined voters, though not necessarily the party itself.

By allowing anyone to vote, Democrat candidates are incentivized to be more moderate, because a vote from a Republican is as good as another from a Democrat. Without open primaries, a Democratic-only primary pretty much decides the winner, and a candidate only has to appeal to fellow Democrats.

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