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Post by blaser-waffle »

Pfhreak wrote: post #296
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I'd tie this back to greater cultural unease about one's economic future more than anything else. Most of the folks I know are in their 30s and don't believe they'll ever retire. >If the system is squeezing every ounce of your labor out and you're only seeing a small return on it, what's keeping you motivated? But by any metric you choose these things were worse in the past. We didn't have safety nets for the e…

Wealth owned by the lower and middle class used to be higher. Not always, but certainly we're in a period where wealth inequality is wildly different than it used to be. In periods of increasing wealth inequality, I'd expect less class mobility and increased anxiety and hopelessness. Combine that anxiety with climate change, political gridlock, loss of privilege, a sense that retirement will never happen, and general…

> Wealth owned by the lower and middle class used to be higher.

Where? In the US?

Post-WW2 saw the rest of the world blown to bits, and the US and USSR being the only two powers left standing. Incomes shot through the roof for the average USA-ian because everyone else who could have done cheap labor was dead or busy rebuilding.

Pre World Wars there was plenty of deep, deep poverty in the US, and there was much labor unrest (e.g. the Pullman Strike, etc.) because of it.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by mhh__ »

bulldoa wrote: post #172
WalterBright wrote: post #107

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Come join us in the D development effort. We have plenty of productive things to do that will push you past your limits. This kind of work is also good for giving your career a boost - this has happened to many on the D team.

Do you guys accept contribution from junior devs (2-4 years out of college that have no compiler experience)?

Compilers in the real world aren't that complicated - if you delve into dmd you'll spend way more time on the actual codebase than theory.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by imtringued »

TomMckenny wrote: post #212

Benefits are much more generous and much easier to get in countries with much higher worker participation. And they have the same video games in other countries too. And marriage does not cause entry in the workforce, participation in the workforce is what makes marriage partners more interested. Reduction in benefits has not and is no increasing work participation. There was not spike in worker participation in the…

>And marriage does not cause entry in the workforce, participation in the workforce is what makes marriage partners more interested.

Those two influence each other. Work improves chances of marriage? People will work more or better jobs.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by speedplane »

Spooky23 wrote: post #229
TomMckenny wrote: post #212

Benefits are much more generous and much easier to get in countries with much higher worker participation. And they have the same video games in other countries too. And marriage does not cause entry in the workforce, participation in the workforce is what makes marriage partners more interested. Reduction in benefits has not and is no increasing work participation. There was not spike in worker participation in the…

Welfare reform was always bullshit. It was a compromise where the Democrats got some added benefits and changes, and the Republicans got the ability to cut off traditional welfare and transition people to Social Security Disability This pushed the costs off the states’ books and the federal budget, and made the costs a problem for social security. It backfired as it created a permanent underclass and drove up Medicai…

> Welfare reform was always bullshit. ... This pushed the costs off the states’ books and the federal budget, and made the costs a problem for social security. It backfired as it created a permanent underclass and drove up Medicaid utilization and costs.

I'm not entirely sure this is a bad result. Driving down welfare costs may indeed drive up medicaid costs, but this seems like a decent trade. Rather than giving people a check, give them health insurance and support for them to get their own job.

Give people the minimum necessary to keep their dignity (basic housing, public education, foodstamps, basic healthcare), and if they want more give them opportunities to grab it.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by imtringued »

jbay808 wrote: post #82
leereeves wrote: post #31

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> We don't have any factories anymore. Factories still exist, they're just in other countries. And in China alone, they employ 100 million people.

I don't think the parent meant otherwise. Or are you suggesting that Americans looking for unskilled factory work can just move to China and get a job? Aside from the cost and language barrier and family ties and other challenges of relocating, I think legal barriers alone (visa issues, work permits) would make that hard. It's already hard enough even for highly skilled professionals to get work permits in another co…

I have thought about a welfare scheme that combines working abroad in a cheaper country + low basic income (tied to your work). The obvious problem is that you can't prevent welfare fraud in a foreign country without strong cooperation with the destination country.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by Spooky23 »

speedplane wrote: post #334
Spooky23 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welfare reform was always bullshit. It was a compromise where the Democrats got some added benefits and changes, and the Republicans got the ability to cut off traditional welfare and transition people to Social Security Disability This pushed the costs off the states’ books and the federal budget, and made the costs a problem for social security. It backfired as it created a permanent underclass and drove up Medicai…

> Welfare reform was always bullshit. ... This pushed the costs off the states’ books and the federal budget, and made the costs a problem for social security. It backfired as it created a permanent underclass and drove up Medicaid utilization and costs. I'm not entirely sure this is a bad result. Driving down welfare costs may indeed drive up medicaid costs, but this seems like a decent trade. Rather than giving peo…

I was unclear. A local administrative law judge makes a determination that you are "disabled", you are placed on SSDI and cannot work without losing it.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

wayoutthere wrote: post #28

I think male socialization has left many men poorly-equipped to deal with the modern workplace. Prior to the information age, the primary challenges in the workplace were physical or motivational. So an attitude of "be tough and work through the hard times" was effective and allowed you to earn a living. Boorish behavior was tolerated or even celebrated as "male bonding". But as women entered more professions, that b…

On a meta-level, I have to say I am a bit mystified as to why use of the phrase "toxic masculinity" is tolerated on HN. It is not a generally recognized medical phenomenon nor recognized by the general public as an issue outside of a small group. Moreover, were a poster to attach "toxic" to any other gender, race, or creed, they would be justly pilloried by HN readers and the moderators would quickly take action.

@dang/@sctb, "toxic masculinity" is also one of those politically and socially charged phrases that tend to "generate more heat than light", as I believe one of you once said. I will echo a recent post by tptacek that dang responded to; it wastes the time of commenters and I ask you to reconsider permitting its use on HN.

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by non-entity »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #337
wayoutthere wrote: post #28

I think male socialization has left many men poorly-equipped to deal with the modern workplace. Prior to the information age, the primary challenges in the workplace were physical or motivational. So an attitude of "be tough and work through the hard times" was effective and allowed you to earn a living. Boorish behavior was tolerated or even celebrated as "male bonding". But as women entered more professions, that b…

On a meta-level, I have to say I am a bit mystified as to why use of the phrase "toxic masculinity" is tolerated on HN. It is not a generally recognized medical phenomenon nor recognized by the general public as an issue outside of a small group. Moreover, were a poster to attach "toxic" to any other gender, race, or creed, they would be justly pilloried by HN readers and the moderators would quickly take action. @da…

> is also one of those politically and socially charged phrases that tend to "generate more heat than light"

And that seems to be quite popular on HN recently

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by WalterBright »

mhh__ wrote: post #332
bulldoa wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you guys accept contribution from junior devs (2-4 years out of college that have no compiler experience)?

Compilers in the real world aren't that complicated - if you delve into dmd you'll spend way more time on the actual codebase than theory.

> Compilers in the real world aren't that complicated

Shhh - need to keep us compiler devs' salaries up!

Re: Education and Men without Work

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Post by stared »

araneae wrote: post #314
huherto wrote: post #243

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The dating dynamic changed too. As a man, you will be able to date if you are in the top 20% on height and general attractiveness. It wasn't always like that. In the recent past, you could have a girlfriend if you were average good looking and if you showed your worth. Good grades, good work prospects, etc. as long as you committed to a woman. That doesn't seem to work any more.

I've heard this oft repeated, but no evidence that dating overall works by the 80-20 rule except for Tinder, which hardly represents the dating world at large. It's perhaps true for casual sex, but for monogamy, which is still the most common dating pattern for the overwhelmingly majority of Western civilisation, the math just doesn't work out. I can't help but feel that this belief is understandably motivated by a d…

A lot of current dating move to online, for better or worse, vide https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/08/17/the-irre....

An in the online tools, physical attractiveness and the first impression matter much more, vide https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11469834.

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