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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by randomsearch »

mathgenius wrote: post #57

"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.

Ok so write your own. Mine YouTube URLs from the web, take the context they arise in, and use that to build a recommendation engine.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by [deleted] »

espadrine wrote: post #202
mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

Three reasons why not: operational, business, and technical. Operational: they don’t control features; adding them by contributing to the standard would leak planned features, and without contributing, would be seen as embrace-extend-extinguish. Business: it would contribute work to their competitors. Technical: implementing global search on it is implausible.

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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by noarchy »

buboard wrote: post #69
d--b wrote: post #13

How is decentralized twitter supposed to solve misinformation? It mostly makes moderation (or censorship) impossible.

I m surprised every time i see people here asking for the evil that is censorship. Dorsey wants a decentralized system exactly because he won't be held liable for not censoring people. It makes sense business-wise and it's a win-win for humanity. Twitter has become a trigger-happy-people-fest because each group knows they can weaponize censorship against each other. With systems that are uncensored , nobody complaint…

>I m surprised every time i see people here asking for the evil that is censorship.

You're posting this in a place (HN) that itself is not averse to deleting posts, shadow banning, manipulating the rank of articles, etc. Some have argued that HN is a good discussion environment precisely because of those things, though I don't necessarily agree. What I'm getting at is that you have reason to not expect sympathy for your position here.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by arminiusreturns »

markosaric wrote: post #220
ajudson wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They got rid of RSS to force everyone to have to engage with their timeline. I doubt they would be nice enough to do this

I hope they will be. About Twitter RSS: I recently discovered nitter.net. It's a Twitter front-end without all that tracking and with the addition of RSS. Jack's at https://nitter.net/jack and the RSS is https://nitter.net/jack/rss

I really like this. I had been looking for a cli client and wasn't impressed by any of them, and this seems like a good compromise for reading others timelines, especially since I am an RSS-aholic.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by baroffoos »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #324
baroffoos wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like implementing global search across all websites is impossible

To be fair there is no open standard for global search across all websites.

I'm not sure what you would want from a standard. The basic idea is very simple, crawl the entire web starting from a few known points and visiting every single url you see on every page. Now you have an index of the internet you can run searches on.

The only problem is meaningfully ordering those results and having the computing power to do it. An open standard doesn't solve those.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by _7fvc »

mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

@jack's idea probably involves some kind of cryptocurrency integration into the protocol. I think having a digital native currency can alter the economics of protocols. The end result may be some combination of ActivityPub and an economic incentive layer.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by pg_is_a_butt »

espadrine wrote: post #202
mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

Three reasons why not: operational, business, and technical. Operational: they don’t control features; adding them by contributing to the standard would leak planned features, and without contributing, would be seen as embrace-extend-extinguish. Business: it would contribute work to their competitors. Technical: implementing global search on it is implausible.

> Technical: implementing global search on it is implausible.

How does TOR work then? Simple caching layers and nodes maintaining search indexes is all it takes. Probably not as up to date or fast as duckduckgo, but still functional.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by pg_is_a_butt »

baroffoos wrote: post #323
espadrine wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three reasons why not: operational, business, and technical. Operational: they don’t control features; adding them by contributing to the standard would leak planned features, and without contributing, would be seen as embrace-extend-extinguish. Business: it would contribute work to their competitors. Technical: implementing global search on it is implausible.

Just like implementing global search across all websites is impossible

You forgot the part about abandoning centralization.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by tudelo »

randomsearch wrote: post #331
mathgenius wrote: post #57

"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.

Ok so write your own. Mine YouTube URLs from the web, take the context they arise in, and use that to build a recommendation engine.

I mean really, it's elementary
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