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Re: Save .org

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Post by Razengan »

Half-baked idea for an alternative to domains:

Let every site have a UUID, kinda like TOR addresses, and let the host/servers as well as users specify multiple human-readable shortcuts for that UUID.

So HN might get o4u20j4c9qwybv3u0p2hnxjq4k1n4vmcsvtvm2666kjn123 and no other site should ever get the same ID until the heat death of the universe, and you could access it by any name you want.

Something like that would be resilient to impersonation, takeovers, brand renaming, and other issues.

Re: Save .org

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Post by PostOnce »

Razengan wrote: post #331

Half-baked idea for an alternative to domains: Let every site have a UUID, kinda like TOR addresses, and let the host/servers as well as users specify multiple human-readable shortcuts for that UUID. So HN might get o4u20j4c9qwybv3u0p2hnxjq4k1n4vmcsvtvm2666kjn123 and no other site should ever get the same ID until the heat death of the universe, and you could access it by any name you want. Something like that would…

you're describing ip addresses and domain names

Re: Save .org

#333

Post by Razengan »

PostOnce wrote: post #332
Razengan wrote: post #331

Half-baked idea for an alternative to domains: Let every site have a UUID, kinda like TOR addresses, and let the host/servers as well as users specify multiple human-readable shortcuts for that UUID. So HN might get o4u20j4c9qwybv3u0p2hnxjq4k1n4vmcsvtvm2666kjn123 and no other site should ever get the same ID until the heat death of the universe, and you could access it by any name you want. Something like that would…

you're describing ip addresses and domain names

I'm talking about something akin to onion addresses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion

Re: Save .org

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Post by sgt »

dang wrote: post #287
sgt wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like he posted a lame joke. The appropriate response would be for other users to downvote him. I've seen his other comments and he'll regularly be downvoted, but I think you're overreacting a bit. Perhaps you should stick to making sure HN runs, and aside from that mind your own business?

Note that word 'repeatedly'. When people post like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20958824 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20902321 and ignore our requests to stop breaking the guidelines, we ban them. If we didn't, the guidelines wouldn't mean much. Sadly, it's my business to deal with flamewars, personal attacks, trolling, and other abuses of HN. If flames are allowed to burn this place to a crisp, H…

I've gone through some more of his comments and found that you were absolutely justified. Sorry for my remark.

Re: Save .org

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Post by patrickdavey »

chii wrote: post #327
patrickdavey wrote: post #139

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I run a tiny carpooling site (not for profit) snowpool.org . If they turned around and upped the fees to 3K a year or something, it would basically force me to shut the service down. This is an incredibly awful move, I'm completely astounded that it was allowed to happen.

if there's money to doing something, it will happen. Why not just move to a different domain, and while your old one is still "cheap", do a redirect etc?

Because I've built up a presence over 10 years of running the site, so, I'm not just about to move! It'd be a huge pain to move probably hundreds of email addresses over to a new domain etc too (I sign up with [domain]@snowpool.org)

It completely depends on what they do, I've renewed for 10 years so I have time now, if they put the fees to >500 a year then I'll definitely move.

Do you own a domain yourself that people have been using for 10 years? You might feel differently about the ease of "just moving"

Re: Save .org

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Post by int_19h »

byuu wrote: post #246
hultner wrote: post #218

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Browsers shouldn't be the entity deciding on address resolution, a domain system bound only to the web/httpx would be a huge leap backwards. This should be up to the os and whatever names resolution the os provides should be happily accepted by any network program, be it a browser, email client, ssh, irc or something completely different.

Unfortunately, with at least Chrome and Firefox moving to DNS-over-HTTPS, they are the entities deciding on address resolution for 99% of average-user requests. I would agree with you in principle however, in which case there's an even more impossible goal: get Microsoft, Apple, Google, and every Linux/BSD distro to agree to a new OS-level alternate domain name resolver that functions out of the box. And also stop Go…

The OSes appear to be signing up for DoH as well.

Re: Save .org

#339

Post by int_19h »

C14L wrote: post #221
cnorthwood wrote: post #194

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It possibly fits within the portfolio of the ITU (although I guess the UN is intergovernmental, rather than a government).

That has been proposed for as long as I can remember. The result would be that dictatorships and authoritarian governments control the internet, because they make up the majority in the ITU. I don't think we want that.

They would only control the assignment of TLDs, whereas all the stuff that's actually interesting from a censorship perspective happens on much lower levels than that.

For example, ITU also controls country code assignment for phone numbers. Does that translate to any meaningful capacity to censor? So far as I know, the only practical restriction that comes out of it is that unrecognized states don't get one assigned, but that's also generally true with TLDs.

Re: Save .org

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Post by albertsondev »

OccamsMirror wrote: post #289
byuu wrote: post #247

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As stated by another person, yeah I'd want it to not overlap with the existing ICANN TLDs. Not too hard to do, and we could fix one of the bigger annoyances of DNS and correct the ordering: bsnes.byuu.org -> #newtld.byuu.bsnes, for example could work, or even just #byuu -> #byuu.bsnes and only have a sole TLD for it. I don't know how we stop squatters, maybe a one-time registration fee would be reasonable, but that w…

The simple answer to that is prices based on the country's GDP. us.whatever: $100 mz.whatever: $0.80

brb gonna go buy a bunch of mz's for my botnet clusters
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