Reminds me of this: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict... Private companies have no incentive to take a stand for individual freedom and will always bow before the demands of a (loud) minority
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bitcoin isn't good for transactions. It's too slow, too cumbersome for he average consumer and its value fluctuates so much that you'd have to have dynamic pricing. I love the idea of crypto currency and I really do think, one day, some form of it will be out future. But Bitcoin today just doesn't fit that bill at all.
> It's too slow In my recent experience, payments confirm ~5 times within an hour or so. > too cumbersome for he average consumer The BitPay wallet is very easy to use. And many sites now use payment URLs, so it's basically just click the link, and hit OK. > and its value fluctuates so much that you'd have to have dynamic pricing. I haven't seen anything in recent memory that doesn't use dynamic pricing. Many sellers…
>> It's too slow
>In my recent experience, payments confirm ~5 times within an hour or so.
Really not fast enought for the camgirl/camboy use case
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Surely it should work by availability areas? Web hosting is generally a global market. ISPs can have coverage vary inside a city block. As such, it's very nearly impossible for a customer to run out of web hosting options, but they may only have literally one option for internet providers.
And who decides what defines every availability area and competition map for every product and service every day to see if there is enough coverage/competition? Or are you arguing for a whitelist-to-discriminate model for things with extremely large coverage areas (perhaps worldwide)? If the latter do you think there are enough of these that can be done easily enough to save complexity/cost overall or is it only appl…
Here's a historical example of an American court deciding matters like that, from the era when our antitrust laws had teeth:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/370/294/#tab-opi...
But then, those laws literally got Borked: https://promarket.org/how-robert-bork-fathered-the-new-gilde...
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#334Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
Does anyone know of any solutions to this? Are there any payment options that have so far been immune to this issue? Maybe it's worth setting up alternative payment methods, even if the percent they charge per transaction is much higher, just to ensure stability of access to funds.
Yeah, things like subscribe star exist in part for this reason, and there are plenty of groups that discuss alternative technology, such as this news org https://reclaimthenet.org/ or this group https://gab.com/groups/377 (though the last two mostly focus on political content)
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you run a shop, you can't decline service to democrats, even if disagree with them. You can't discriminate, that's the law. I don't see how is it radically different from running a hosting company.
Political affiliation is not a protected class in the US. You're likely to face enough societal backlash this isn't a common issue though. The problem with the societal sort of regulation is it's about whatever is popular not about discrimination.
> Political affiliation is not a protected class in the US.
It is in California (which, obviously, is located in the US).
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer to those questions depends on what your market dominance is. If you're one of many players in the market, and you're all actively competing against each other, then discriminate all you want - somebody else will cover that niche. But if you're the only option for many people, or there are so few options that the market is not really competitive, then yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to force compani…
By that logic, a restaurant should be able to discriminate based on race, since there are other restaurants that could serve those customers.
Yes, unless many of those other restaurants also discriminate in the same way (which can be treated as an exclusionary cartel).
Keep in mind that our modern anti-discrimination laws were passed at a time where that was demonstrably the case. And I'm not at all sure that it wouldn't also be the case if the anti-discrimination laws were repealed today. My point, rather, is that the purpose of those laws, and really any laws, should be prevention of harm, not a moral statement. If and when we get to the point where discrimination on some basis becomes so marginal that there's no measurable harm from it, it should no longer be illegal. But not until then.
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#337Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
Bitcoin isn't a currency that can fix this. Bitcoin is either censorable (lightning network) or unaffordable when used heavily with slow confirmations and ridiculous fees. The lightning network is a joke--a frankenstein "Engineering UI" layed over a system to route around bad development decisions re:block size.
Lightning is not censorable as participants in a payment channel route cannot know the sender nor receiver of a payment. It's similar to tor relays.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…
The answer to all of your questions is..."Are you a platform?" [0] If so, you must accept, by law, all customers/participants/users without prejudice or discrimination, and you may only deny or limit service to same after a written order from a court of law instructing you to do so. Furthermore, this rule supersedes any Terms of Service that a company may wish to enforce. That's not what we have in the US today —but…
Eh, I would be wary of that definition, even though I am totally in support of platforms not being allowed to get rid of content that isn't illegal. There should be way more nuance than what your definition provides.
For example, if I host a very popular forum for discussing cars that somehow manages to exceed 1% of the population of the country it is offered in, I feel like I would be totally justified to remove posts that have nothing to do with cars and talk about completely off-topic stuff like videogames or politics.
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#339I wonder how these kinds of trends will impact bitcoin and crypto. May be this is good for crypto currencies.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the thing I find very disturbing. That an industry as highly regulated and essential to every day life as banking can pick and choose based on management's moral choices.
UBS and other bankers catering to major drug cartel money though... crickets and maybe a small percentage fine.
HSBC in Mexico.