Taxes are low, salaries high and things costs less than one thinks. Yet, the biggest downsite here is the lack of jobs. Zurich has only ~350.000 inhabitants and hence it can't have the same number of opportunities like London, NYC or the Bay Area. That leads to a high variance in pay. I have seen people being underpaid at 85k CHF a year as a senior developer and then going to 120k CHF just by changing companies but doing essentially the same work.
Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was applying for roles recently that were as high as 180K CHF (and that wasn't FAANG).
Can you share some company names? Seems rare
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#333The country, I would really want to emigrate to is Portgual. lots of sun, low cost of living. but it seems there's no tech jobs there and they pay poorly. I'm not seeking SV money, either but more like mid city US money in the range of 50-75k EUR for a mid level engineer
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#334Sharing a flat here is something many younger single people do, but even for the older generation is not a taboo (my friend shared a flat with a single mother and her kid for a couple years). I myself share an enormous modern penthouse-like apartment on a top of a building, at a good and quiet location in Zurich. I wanted to have flatmates (winters are dark and boring here :-) ) and one of the side effects is the cost saving. I never lived in bigger luxury, yet I pay 10% of my monthly income for the rent.
Public transportation is affordable, fast, clean, and again, in contrast to the US, not looked down on. A manager in the bank sits next to the paintshop worker on the bus and this is completely fine. I have lived outskirts too, yet never had more than 30min commute.
Life might seem inconvenient here (bikes preferred over cars, young people share flats instead of their own kingdom, 2-3x more $$$ for a restaurant dinner, etc), however, all these facts also contribute to better physiological and mental health.
It's not for everyone thou, YMMV, etc.
On the SWEng side, it's a whole different question. Less competitive environment, less cool bubble projects, no Juicero-like promises to get superrich superfast. (Although this might also one of the factors for a better mental health ;-) )
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#335They have no shame. They went as far as praising Switzerland's diversity and inclusiveness... Come on... Healthcare may be the only reason, but you also have it everywhere else...
Switzerland is extremely diverse. There are four official languages, and 20+% of the population is foreign-born. In Zurich, that rate is much higher.
In the US, it generally means racial diversity. Sure Switzerland has a lot of European people from various countries. But it is nonetheless a very white country...
I'm just saying that writing that Switzerland is more diverse than Silicon Valley is ridiculous.
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the insular culture Anecdotally, this is the reason most people struggle as expats in CH.
Do / can expats just hang out with each other?
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#339What about formal requirements? The software field in the US is known for not caring a whole lot about people's educational backgrounds as long as they can do the job. Is Switzerland the same or are degrees hard requirements?
Maybe the companies don't care, but apparently the US government does. There's a hard requirement for H-1B, that the applicant hold at least a four-year bachelor’s degree in a relevant field or its equivalent, and will be employed in a position which requires such a degree.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Switzerland is extremely diverse. There are four official languages, and 20+% of the population is foreign-born. In Zurich, that rate is much higher.
Ok, well, depends what you call diversity. In the US, it generally means racial diversity. Sure Switzerland has a lot of European people from various countries. But it is nonetheless a very white country... I'm just saying that writing that Switzerland is more diverse than Silicon Valley is ridiculous.