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Re: The China Cultural Clash

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I have an interesting take on this, from knowing a bit about Chinese culture (lived there) and for having friends and coworkers who are Chinese. Culture in China is about unity. If you look at Chinese history, and if you watch Chinese movies, this is a recurrent theme. Unification through blood and war. This is the goal and China will get stronger and more stable over time. At what cost? Tiananmen, xinjiang, hk, the…

Your comment is not an interesting take at all. But it is incredibly patronising.

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This is the best response that I have gotten which I think a majority of Chinese people agree with and epitomizes my exact point that it is counterproductive to villainize one another. Instead of letting contention escalate to coercion and violence we should focus on setting mutually agreeable rules of economic competition, and let whichever system is more successful in producing value succeed. Important side point r…

The beauty about villainize one another is that it is simple. No need to think or do research, just fallback to knee-jerk reactions. And it makes one feel superior when they think they are the good people that fights the evil. It's human nature and nothing you or me can do will change it. (I mean, the need for antagonists is embedded into our brains, just look at the popular movies) Yes, I totally agree that some of…

To be an anti-totalitarianist is to acknowledge that even parents sometimes make mistakes, not to say that what the majority says is true is right.

When people say something is “evil” what they mean is they don’t believe it’s in our long term best interest. Meaning even though paternalism got you to where you are today, doesn’t mean it will get you where you want to be in the future.

Finally you imply that those that stay calm and agree to disagree won’t write the future, while I won’t disagree, I would caution that if you let disagreement evolve into coercion and conflict without a channel for resolution besides violence, there will not be a future for someone to “write”.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Just on the NBA angle: It seems quite bizarre to me that a very large country like China follows a sports league in another country. I personally would welcome the Chinese following their own sports leagues more. Yes, they are often of a lesser standard currently but that will change as local support builds.

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Given the name, age, and almost hilariously stereotypical grammatical errors, I can only assume you are at best a troll and at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national. China has absolutely used state power to affect foreign states. Consider all the infrastructure projects funded by Chinese money in Africa[0] and consider what the ultimate motive is. [0]: https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expe…

Please read the site guidelines. Your comment has broken them badly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national That's a slur. Did you really mean it that way? Chinese people, and people with a China-related background, are welcome here. What sort of site would this be if they weren't? People whose first language isn't English are welcome here too. Please…

Apologies, I can't edit the above comment any more, but if I could I would amend it.

My original statement is not intended to be against a Chinese person, but the Chinese Communist Apparatus as it currently stands. I believe healthy suspicion of sudden "devil's advocates" on topics regarding state activities is more important than ever given the alarming trend of governments world-wide using clandestine "grass roots" attacks against free narratives.

I should have left out the final bit to place emphasis on suspicion that the grandparent comment came off as state-sponsored. Then again from reading the guidelines, I shouldn't have gone with the first sentence at all. Sorry.

[Edit] for posterity, I tried to clear things up in a later reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199273

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Please read the site guidelines. Your comment has broken them badly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national That's a slur. Did you really mean it that way? Chinese people, and people with a China-related background, are welcome here. What sort of site would this be if they weren't? People whose first language isn't English are welcome here too. Please…

Apologies, I can't edit the above comment any more, but if I could I would amend it. My original statement is not intended to be against a Chinese person, but the Chinese Communist Apparatus as it currently stands. I believe healthy suspicion of sudden "devil's advocates" on topics regarding state activities is more important than ever given the alarming trend of governments world-wide using clandestine "grass roots"…

It's ok—honest mistakes are no problem here.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Apologies, I can't edit the above comment any more, but if I could I would amend it. My original statement is not intended to be against a Chinese person, but the Chinese Communist Apparatus as it currently stands. I believe healthy suspicion of sudden "devil's advocates" on topics regarding state activities is more important than ever given the alarming trend of governments world-wide using clandestine "grass roots"…

It's ok—honest mistakes are no problem here.

I appreciate you guys taking such a hands-on approach. It helped me bite my tongue and remember the human.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the name, age, and almost hilariously stereotypical grammatical errors, I can only assume you are at best a troll and at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national. China has absolutely used state power to affect foreign states. Consider all the infrastructure projects funded by Chinese money in Africa[0] and consider what the ultimate motive is. [0]: https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expe…

Assume your imagination is correct, can you argue with which part is false instead of who I am and what motive is? The way you draw your conclusion reflects some interesting information. [edit]: Thanks for the link. It seems China is building infrastructure for other countries. Of cause it's not free but it's better than bombing other countries in the name of promoting value of freedom. A lot of people from victim co…

Hmm... Let me try and state my concerns in a less-inflammatory manner.

First, I apologize for the curt parent comment. I slipped from the argument dangerously close to an attack against you, as a person. That is not okay in any circumstance, and I am sorry I stooped so low.

I suppose I should explain my point of view here. I am not a fan of the United States' foreign policy history, especially state-sponsored coups. I just found your statement:

> China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries.

Incorrect given the information I have access to. All world powers, including China, have and continue to practice "soft colonialism", or Neocolonialism. The infrastructure projects in Africa were meant to serve as a common example of this occurring. Here's a more concise example from the EN wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#China

Note that this does not clear the U.S. or western powers of wrongdoing. In the last line of the above link, it points this out quite explicitly.

This makes more sense, then, when we look at the context of this comment, which is the growing concern in the light of the Hong Kong protests across the world with how the Chinese Government (not people) is seeking to change outside cultures to be more palatable to their official ideals.

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It helps to know a little bit about what's been going on in Hong Kong, before you all line up and take your daily dump on China. It all started a few months ago when someone committed a crime in Taiwan and fled to Hong Kong. To prevent HK from becoming a safe haven for criminals, the Chief Executive of HK proposed a new law to facilitate extradition of these crime suspects from HK to various jurisdictions in the regi…

This is a fair summary, but you can't divorce the protesters actions from the fact that there is no legitimate way for the protesters to alter the government. These protests were inevitable as the government basically lacks legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the population. (Unlike the mainland government which is viewed as legitimate by and large by its citizens). It's only a matter of a trigger point.

Plenty of people in the US hate the current government, but you don't get protests to this degree (i.e. widespread violence) in part because some degree of accountability exists.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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They didn’t abandon all manufacturing, just low level unskilled dirty manufacturing. American business people were happy to up the value chain to more technical stuff as well as more technical services. And actually, we have to move up this value chain anyways to justify our higher standard of living. America still has a lock on a lot of technical know how that will take the Chinese decades to replicate (eg semi cond…

>And actually, we have to move up this value chain anyways to justify our higher standard of living. This is the part that makes absolutely no sense to me. The farther you move up this value chain, the fewer and fewer people you can find that can actually do those jobs. They require advanced degrees and highly technical specialization and experience. Not everyone can do that. Unless you have a parallel plan to, perha…

> The farther you move up this value chain, the fewer and fewer people you can find that can actually do those jobs.

Yep. But that is a problem better solved via some kind of wealth redistribution, rather than maintaining low value jobs that couldn’t pay enough to keep up anyways. China was just the first thing to suck away low value jobs, eventually automation will be much much worse.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Attempts by China to leverage market access into self-censorship by U.S. companies should also be treated as trade violations that are subject to retaliation. Thank you, Ben, for this honest appraisal which involves sticking out your neck and perhaps even harming your ability to travel to China or expand your business. Regarding this comment about Apple: And then there is Apple: the company is deeply exposed to China…

As China has become increasingly nationalistic, xenophobic, etc recently (foreigners in China are seeing more and more hostility and visits by cops, and minders that follow them and keep tabs) they've been taking their business opportunities to Vietnam, etc. Apple should work to do the same.

US companies need to leave China and other totalitarian states. Our doing business with them just prolongs the suffering of their citizens. Or maybe we should help overthrow evil governments.
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