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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by braythwayt »

muzika wrote: post #248
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

The rumor is that there is a patent for speed sign recognition that Tesla refuses to pay money for.

Elsewhere in this discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21087492

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by revscat »

yunyu wrote: post #263
Shivetya wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Tesla is the only major autonomous vehicle manufacturer which does not use lidar for perception/localization. As such, they are substantially behind the rest of the AV industry when it comes to these areas.

This view about the inevitability of LIDAR seems to become increasingly anachronistic as time goes on. I have autopilot. Two nights ago it drove me from the entrance ramp to the exit ramp for my destination, approximately 30 miles, and I didn’t have to intervene once. The route involved three different highways, two overpasses, requisite lane changes, and even a brief stint through a traffic jam where it had to merge in heavy traffic. It was completely successful.

I fail to see how that is by any definition “behind”. I would be happy to replicate this and video it if you are skeptical.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zamfi »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

> namely their blue tooth support for smart phones is poor, ten year old poor. It is illegal to use my phone physically while driving but if I want to change the play list my car is getting from my phone I have to resort to using my phone. This is a common feature on most cars today but Tesla never has had it. when pressed we get sycophants defending the decision because autonomous driving is coming "real" soon.

This is perhaps not the best example to use in this thread as V10 apparently includes this...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by greglindahl »

bobsil1 wrote: post #256
fortran77 wrote: post #241

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Especially the "3" owners. There are so many cut-corners on the "3" yet the owners of this budget car will explain away it all.

The powertrain is more powerful and more efficient than any other in its class. A lot of people don't care about paint or trivial fit 'n finish stuff.

Different people care about different things. If Tesla gets 0% of the "we care most about fit and finish" market, that's fine at Tesla's current market share.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #330
xedeon wrote: post #300

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> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group? If you are really trying to understand, why don't you test drive one? Only then will you truly know. Having owned a Model S (traded it in for a Model 3) and X. There is no way I will buy any other car. Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure and software…

I DID and I still don't understand. It's especially obnoxious from Tesla owner to think that if we try it we will automatically think alike.

Then you don't like it? Cool! It's not the end of the world I promise. You can still buy whatever car you want.

Why don't you let people buy what they please with their hard earned money?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by delfinom »

zepearl wrote: post #215
prongletown wrote: post #154

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I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Thx for the definitions - useful/interesting (but I did not doublecheck them, hehe) :) > which requires minimal integration with the vehicle My guess: maybe VW is scared of a potential "which CURRENTLY requires minimal integration with the vehicle" (I imagine that the push for more and more integration will increase in the future) and therefore decided to give it a try now and not to become passively dependent on Goo…

The real answer: VW wants to get a cut of the datamining pie.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by saalweachter »

grecy wrote: post #316
threeseed wrote: post #306

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In most places in the world they have a generic law used to cover behaviour that everyone knows is wrong but isn't explicitly illegal. For example in Australia we have a 'reckless driving' law which would definitely cover the case of you ignoring parking lot rules. Likewise if you had an incident I doubt your insurance company would honor the claim.

You'll find that 99% of parking lots are legally private property, and as such road rules DO NOT legally apply. Those stop signs IN a parking lot? They legally mean nothing. Police can not give you a ticket for not stopping.

The enforceability and enforcement of stop signs in parking lots varies state by state in the US.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by rainyMammoth »

revscat wrote: post #332
yunyu wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the only major autonomous vehicle manufacturer which does not use lidar for perception/localization. As such, they are substantially behind the rest of the AV industry when it comes to these areas.

This view about the inevitability of LIDAR seems to become increasingly anachronistic as time goes on. I have autopilot. Two nights ago it drove me from the entrance ramp to the exit ramp for my destination, approximately 30 miles, and I didn’t have to intervene once. The route involved three different highways, two overpasses, requisite lane changes, and even a brief stint through a traffic jam where it had to merge…

Everyone agrees that you can do 99.99% of the driving without a LIDAR. That's exactly what you did yesterday in easy conditions (Highway driving is the easiest environment by far). The issue if you want to go to FULL self driving is that you need to go to 99.99999% of reliability which a lot of experts agree you will not be able to do without Lidar.

Here is the issue: Video cameras will work properly most of the time but once in a while the exact distance will be wrongly calculated as can be seen with all the Teslas crashing in trucks lately. A LIDAR gives you a way higher confidence on the distance of objects.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #235
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #229

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I’m not a Tesla owner but it does seem to me that buying in to the company that has single handedly changed the landscape of electric vehicles is a pretty exciting notion. I’d be happier to have a vehicle built on seemingly better principles and support the company even if they’re not perfect. But then I use Linux even though it’s difficult at times because what I am using is more important than any specific flaws it…

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

Well I agree if you mean “hackable open system”, but I meant it as “product which I agree with ideologically even if the specific user experience is sometimes inferior”.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

Fins wrote: post #308
xedeon wrote: post #52

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> I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term. Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw). It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.

Can we please stop with ridiculous BS about evil shortsellers? Would you believe that it's martians spreading "fud" about Tesla, if Elon says so? And that would be at least as accurate as the shorts nonsense.

> Can we please stop with ridiculous BS about evil shortsellers?

Have you been living under a rock? I didn't even know about the insane short interest and the countess $TSLAQ Twitter trolls until I became a Tesla owner. Which is apparently been there since the early days.

Is it BS because it does not fit your narrative? or is it a baseless claim? If so, can you please cite sources?

> Would you believe that it's martians spreading "fud" about Tesla, if Elon says so?

Is that your attempt at insulting my intelligence? I look at everything objectively... I typically stay quiet if I don't know enough on a particular topic or don't have anecdotes.

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