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Post by scarface74 »

AstralStorm wrote: post #321
scarface74 wrote: post #287

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Are you really saying that different people don’t naturally have different body types? I’m 5 foot 5 and 175 pounds. Based on BMI, I am “morbidly obese”. But I have a 32 inch waist, muscular looking legs and an objectively toned upper body with little body fat measured with calipers - 6 points. It’s not because I am a body builder. I’ve had this same basic shape whether or not I was lifting and I only occasionally bee…

Again somatotypes are pseudoscience, but belt size, waist-hip ratio and abdominal fat or muscle percentage are actual science. You can look whatever and still be fat inside where it matters...

That’s exactly what a somatype is. Some people also naturally gain muscle easier. Do you think that if your average person and a top tier athlete train the same amount of time they will have similarly outcomes?

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Post by scarface74 »

AstralStorm wrote: post #323
loco5niner wrote: post #228

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I'm sure they were quite obese before insulin resistance kicked in.

That depends, in some people it's resistance first (essentially prediabetes), in others it's obesity first. Some others develop insulin resistance when even moderately obese, there are a few who never develop it despite being extremely overweight. The lower insulin resistance, the better the effect of diet, usually.

If that were true, weight loss surgery wouldn’t help. It takes away their ability to eat too much at once by reducing the size of their stomach. - it doesn’t change their insulin levels.

If you watch the show, most of them overeat as a coping mechanism and part of the treatment is psychological help.

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Post by balfirevic »

aluminussoma wrote: post #26
kensai wrote: post #13

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You were probably forgetting to drink enough. Okkam’s razor.

I guarantee you I was hydrated. Maybe over hydrated. I went through about 12 fl oz of water an hour, maybe more (I brought my own water bottle).

Just so you get an idea what those numbers imply:

Let's say you had 5 interviews over the course of five days, each lasting 5 hours. You presumably lost 1800 grams (around 4 lbs) of fat during that time, which would require energy expenditure of 37000 joules. Let's also assume you ate the same as you usually do for weight maintenance.

If you spent all that energy during the interviews, it would require sustained power output of 740 watts over your usual energy expenditure.

If you spent all that energy during waking hours (let's say 16 hours a day), it would require power output of 230 watts over usual energy expenditure.

And finally, if you spent that energy during entire day, it would require power output of 155 watts over usual energy expenditure.

For reference, energy expenditure that would amount to 2000 kcal/day turns out to be around 100 watts. Losing 1800 grams over 5 days would require additional 3240 kcals on top of that.

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Post by jobigoud »

scarface74 wrote: post #54
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #42

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specialp and johnmaguire2013 are correct. 'real' weight loss occurs very slowly in comparison to the ways your body can shed or accumulate water. In a week you're not likely to lose more than a 'real' pound unless you're being pretty extreme about your calorie intake or expenditure, but you can fluctuate by easily 5 pounds of water/food weight in a day. Source: tracking my calories and weight for the better part of a…

Exactly. I “lose weight” every time that I take my blood pressure pill (a diuretic) and “gain weight” when I don’t. My weight fluctuates 5 pounds in a given day based on how much I eat, drink, workout etc.

I wish people would use percentage of weight or BMI points instead of pounds. For one it would save others a conversion, and secondly it would make things comparable. 2.2 Kg in a day seems impossible to me, but for someone else it might be nothing. My max fluctuation is about 1.5%, it happens when there are several factors combined.

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Post by scarface74 »

jobigoud wrote: post #334
scarface74 wrote: post #54

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Exactly. I “lose weight” every time that I take my blood pressure pill (a diuretic) and “gain weight” when I don’t. My weight fluctuates 5 pounds in a given day based on how much I eat, drink, workout etc.

I wish people would use percentage of weight or BMI points instead of pounds. For one it would save others a conversion, and secondly it would make things comparable. 2.2 Kg in a day seems impossible to me, but for someone else it might be nothing. My max fluctuation is about 1.5%, it happens when there are several factors combined.

BMI is also flawed. According to my BMI, I’m “morbidly obese”. I’m 30 pounds overweight. However when I was 10 pounds less than I am now, I was objectively tone, muscular, and had a body fat percentage of around 10%. Even now, no one (including doctors) look at me and would say that I’m “obese” and need to lose that much weight. At 10 pounds lighter I was wearing 28 regular cut pants. Where would I lose the weight from? I’m 5’5.

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Post by dpark »

DanBC wrote: post #322
dpark wrote: post #249

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Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss. It does not guarantee weight loss because an individual can always eat more than they burn (and indeed many do). That doesn’t mean it’s not a very useful tool for weight loss in a continued caloric deficit. Maintain your caloric intake level “at maintenance” and add 5 miles of running per day and you’ll lose weight.

> Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss That's not what the evidence says.

You’re clearly speaking in generalities because the evidence is absolutely there that people can lose weight by exercising. But if you’re speaking in generalities then people basically don’t lose weight at all. The studies indicate that nearly no one keeps weight off long term.

If you restrict your sample to the select few that do keep off the weight, some do it with diet alone. Some do it with diet and exercise. Some very few do it with exercise alone. Any of these strategies can work. But in general, none of them do.

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Post by scarface74 »

dpark wrote: post #336
DanBC wrote: post #322

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> Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss That's not what the evidence says.

You’re clearly speaking in generalities because the evidence is absolutely there that people can lose weight by exercising. But if you’re speaking in generalities then people basically don’t lose weight at all. The studies indicate that nearly no one keeps weight off long term. If you restrict your sample to the select few that do keep off the weight, some do it with diet alone. Some do it with diet and exercise. Som…

That’s not what studies show. Studies show that most people can not lose weight by exercise alone:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925973/

Scientifically it is possible, but that’s not backed up by how humans actually behave.

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Post by dpark »

scarface74 wrote: post #337
dpark wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re clearly speaking in generalities because the evidence is absolutely there that people can lose weight by exercising. But if you’re speaking in generalities then people basically don’t lose weight at all. The studies indicate that nearly no one keeps weight off long term. If you restrict your sample to the select few that do keep off the weight, some do it with diet alone. Some do it with diet and exercise. Som…

That’s not what studies show. Studies show that most people can not lose weight by exercise alone: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925973/ Scientifically it is possible, but that’s not backed up by how humans actually behave.

Sorry, is there something specific in that article that supports your claim, because I’m skimming over it and seeing lots of stuff that supports the assertion that people do indeed lose weight from exercise, that it generally requires a relatively high amount of exercise, but that it varies a lot between individuals.

> Overall, the changes in weight in response to ET without caloric restriction are highly heterogeneous and individual differences can span weight gain to clinically significant weight loss.

> Supervised ET studies which have demonstrated clinically significant weight loss with aerobic ET (without caloric restriction) have far exceeded the minimum levels of physical activity according to public health definitions. Ross et al. observed an 8% weight loss in obese men after 12 weeks of aerobic ET with no alterations in dietary habits(daily exercise sessions of 700 kcals). In a different study, Ross et al. observed an 6.8% weight loss in premenopausal women (BMI>27) following 14 weeks of aerobic ET with an energy expenditure of 500 kcals per session. In the Midwest Exercise Trial, Donnelly et al. (n=131) observed a 5.3% weight loss in men after 16 weeks of aerobic ET at approximately 2,000 kcals per week. In contrast, the women in the exercise group did not have a significant change in weight (0.7 kg) following the intervention, but the exercise program prevented the weight gain observed in the control group (2.9 kg.) Thus, clinically significant weight loss is possible with aerobic ET without caloric restriction, but it requires a high ET volume. For the general population, these ET volumes may not be practical or sustainable.

In general, weight loss intervention doesn’t work well. Most people fail to lose significant weight, to adhere for an extended time, or to keep the weight off for years. This is the case no matter how the weight loss is achieved. Even gastric bypass patients often manage to gain back enough weight to get back to the obese mark. That doesn’t mean weight loss is impossible, but it is definitely hard. Exercise is absolutely a way to lose weight, but you have to be serious about it and do considerably more than the minimum recommendation, or you have to restrict calories, or preferably both. And you have to somehow maintain long term if you don’t want to immediately gain it back.

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Post by MichaelApproved »

AstralStorm wrote: post #325
MichaelApproved wrote: post #279

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While I'm sure genetics makes a difference (as it does with everything), I doubt it's that significant. I'd be shocked if there's more than a 10% difference, if even that much. Would love to see a source that backs up your claim.

It's enough of a difference to turn a surplus into even a deficit. Long term, it makes someone skinny or obese, or preferably normal weight.

Would love to see a source that backs up your claim.

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Post by drKarl »

Touche wrote: post #57
castlecrasher2 wrote: post #37

Eat less, lose weight. I read long ago that if you want to maintain weight, eat until you're a little bit hungry. If you want to lose weight, eat until you're still pretty hungry. I've been following the latter on and off over the years, and have been doing it again for the past 8 weeks and have lost a pound a week. I've found it to be much easier than calculating BMR/caloric rate then calculating calories and settin…

I've found that to be true as well. One thing I do is I eat before dinner (especially when going out for dinner). If I'm really hungry I'll order the largest thing on the menu and overeat. If I have a banana before going out I'll make a wiser choice. Losing weight is all about hunger management. Eat free foods like fruits and vegetables when you're hungry. Eat 3 balanced meals a day. That's it, that's all it takes. I…

Fruits are not free food in terms of dieting, as they have a lot of sugar (fructose). Bananas in particular are very rich in sugar so are best avoided when on a diet.
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