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Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Google's practices pushing web non-standards haphazardly are so heinous that even Electron can't usually handle general web apps, like WhatsApp (especially) because it depends on Chrome-specific, not even Chromium, features. Many others are the same way.

Can you cite this? I'm collecting a laundry list of reasons Google has degraded the web, and this is certainly evidence.

If you go back in time far enough, Google has improved the web exponentially more than it has harmed it.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I am forced to used Firefox for an app, and the popup that prompts you to update drives me crazy. Chrome--among other things that make it clearly superior to any other browser--gets updated in the background and without stopping your work.

Using the word crazy like that contributes to the stigma associated with psychotic mental illness. It is ableist to use a disability you don't have as a metaphor.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I haven't really met anyone who is particularly bothered by these issues. They certainly should be addressed to some degree, but the issues I find people are bothered about in Firefox are something that Mozilla has very little control over: Bugs in sites. As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. It's pretty easy to…

> As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest.

You can report sites broken in Firefox (or other browsers) at https://webcompat.com/. Mozilla web developers will debug the broken site and either file a Firefox bug report or try to reach out to the site developer.

Mozilla even has a convenient Firefox extension to make reporting broken sites quick and easy:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webcompatcom-...

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Google is a bit schizophrenic though. You can watch IO talks from Android, Chrome, Flutter where the presenter eventually throws some jabs at other competing stacks as if they aren't from the same employer.

Using the word schizophrenic like that contributes to the stigma associated with psychotic mental illness. It is ableist to use a disability you don't have as a metaphor.

So the censorship of how we are allowed to speak has arrived to HN?

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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For instance, my bank (Lloyds) has a login screen where you have to select letters from three long drop down lists containing all letters and numbers. With Safari or Chrome, I can select the dropdown (by clicking it or navigating there using the keyboard) and then enter the letter or number on the keyboard. With Firefox, I have to click on the dropdown, scroll down looking for the right letter/number and then select…

As inconvenient as powering through this bug might be, switching to Chrome to use this site just reinforces their choice. Perhaps emailing them to report the issue might also be beneficial for all?

Please see the sibling thread (to your comment) for why I'm not going to do that. This "glitch" is probably intentional.

Also, I have actually tried to communicate with that bank about a far more important issue. It was frustrating and pointless, starting with the fact that they don't have a customer support email address.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I haven't really met anyone who is particularly bothered by these issues. They certainly should be addressed to some degree, but the issues I find people are bothered about in Firefox are something that Mozilla has very little control over: Bugs in sites. As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. It's pretty easy to…

> As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. Also a full-time Firefox user. This is fascinating because I quite literally cannot remember a website for which I had to switch browser so it would start working. What kind of websites are these? Have you noticed any pattern about them? Perhaps it's a certain type of site…

>Also a full-time Firefox user. This is fascinating because I quite literally cannot remember a website for which I had to switch browser so it would start working.

Aliexpress.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I would much rather use Firefox full time, but many sites (like youtube.com, for example) just don't render well/speedily/at all on FF. Open Chrome and everything is fine. I get TFA said some devs don't write/test for anything but Chrome... but you _have_ to keep Chrome around for some things. So much for an open web. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>I would much rather use Firefox full time, but many sites (like youtube.com, for example) just don't render well/speedily/at all on FF.

Because Google TM makes their website work like crap on Firefox on purpose?

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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> As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. Also a full-time Firefox user. This is fascinating because I quite literally cannot remember a website for which I had to switch browser so it would start working. What kind of websites are these? Have you noticed any pattern about them? Perhaps it's a certain type of site…

As a (mostly) full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs and some are unusable in FF. What I find fascinating is that every time I mention this on HN or elsewhere, somebody also chimes in with this "doesn't happen to me" message and demands to know which sites. Every damn time.

It seems like this is a good thing since at least one other user said this thread prompted him to contact the site developer.
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