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U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory: Marijuana Use and the Developing Brain

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Post by massaman_yams »

o-__-o wrote: post #255
qzx_pierri wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're probably referring to someone who starts getting high everyday, and quickly becomes "smoked out" - We all know someone like this. I used to get high a lot (when I was 21-23), and I stopped because I noticed myself becoming a shell of who I once was. When I wasn't high, nothing was fun anymore. It started off as saying things like "Bro this would be so much more fun if I was stoned", or "Dude, imagine getting…

Weed effects last for up to 8 hours. Weed messes with REM cycles. This means weed should be treated like coffee (no usage after 4pm) and obviously not before going to work. Meaning the best times to smoke are weekends and holidays, preferably right after you wake up at a normal hour (7-8am)

From the report linked to in this commment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20833229

"There is moderate evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for: • Improving short-term sleep outcomes in individuals with sleep disturbance associated with obstructive sleep apnea syndrome, fibromyalgia, chronic pain, and multiple sclerosis"

That's not everybody, of course, but it's enough to say that weed can have positive effects on sleep quality.

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Post by rosser »

ozzmotik wrote: post #279
rosser wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you care to speculate again about how much time I've spent reading their literature before this discussion? I promise you, it's non-zero. Please try not to dismiss people's positions that shallowly; it's a disservice to the conversation we're trying to have, and it's rude. I am involved in a number of communities that engage intentionally, even sacramentally, with psychedelics. The amount of sheer bullshit they…

oh thank the cosmos there is someone else who notices. im absolutely fascinated with psychedelic inspired communities, but that being said i certainly do notice a lot of people that tend to just devolve into a mostly coherent glossolalia in order to fit into some perceived archetype of a "woke shaman" or some such, and as someone with a vested interest in the pursuit of shamanism as an aspect of spiritual pursuits, i…

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "glossolalia", offhand. The shamans I work with variously use a mix of Spanish, English, and Quechua, or Shipibo-Conibo, and although all of those (if moreso the indigenous tongues) have what seem to be "filler words" with no specific (known) meaning, the overwhelming majority of the sounds they utter are recognizably from those languages, or whistling, or whatever.

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Post by anon234345566 »

I decided to share a bit. Some of you already shared about differents effects of THC in different people. This is an example. We need this drug intensively tested, without any political or cultural bias.

Well, I'm the mother of a 5+ years old kid, and we are using THC oil with him, under medical control. My kid had been early diagnosed with a case of extreme anxiety at the age of 2-3 years old (you can't precisely diagnose this), imagine it as a case of autism without several syntoms; he was already well into the second year being medicated with risperidone + carbamazepine which allowed him to have a more or less standard life.

But, starting at 4 years old the stress related to extra requirements in school began to be highly crippling for him again. Then we asked our neurologist about THC.

We were advised by him, and then contacted a parent of an autistic adult who regularly use THC to be able to function (preventing extremely violent reactions).

So we tried it, precisely dosifying the oil, without leaving the other drugs. THC works in my kid allowing him to remain calm under extreme stress.

It is really a process but the main - under the table, because is illegal here to use THC, not talking about giving it to kids - medical advise is to use THC like ibuprofen. If you see the kid is having a bad time trying to control himself, you give him a dose of oil. If the kid is going to have a stressful day in school, you give him a stronger dose.

I have personally never consumed drugs previous to THC. That was because when I buyed the oil, I tried it to know exactly what effects would be going through my kid. With new batches of oil we use to test it in minimal doses (this is a requirement from the neurologist: we buy oil specifically made for medical purposes - more expensive - but the process is handmade, and different batches could be slightly more soft or stronger in its effects).

If you have a medical issue with a kid, and you're out of solutions, then you usually get to this point. That was my case, and the cases of several parents with I have contacted since we started this path.

THC as you could probably read in many sites in the internet could have a lot more effects in people than causing anxiety and delusional states of mind.

What the article says could be just true, but as with many legal drugs, for example diazepam, the effects are REALLY different if "standard" person consumes it, than when a person with extreme anxiety uses it.

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Post by o-__-o »

massaman_yams wrote: post #331
o-__-o wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weed effects last for up to 8 hours. Weed messes with REM cycles. This means weed should be treated like coffee (no usage after 4pm) and obviously not before going to work. Meaning the best times to smoke are weekends and holidays, preferably right after you wake up at a normal hour (7-8am)

From the report linked to in this commment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20833229 "There is moderate evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for: • Improving short-term sleep outcomes in individuals with sleep disturbance associated with obstructive sleep apnea syndrome, fibromyalgia, chronic pain, and multiple sclerosis" That's not everybody, of course, but it's enough to say that weed can have p…

Negative, doc.

In the article you cite, cannabis can help when your sleep cycle is _already_ f'ed. But then you have to have a real long talk with yourself and ask why? Why, when there are better medicines to manage sleep disturbance in the short term which actually improves your sleep. (I am genuinely asking, even OTC sleep medicines will work better than weed)

Weed cannot have positive effects for the layperson because it increases time between REM cycles. Again, if your lack of sleep affects your REM cycle (i.e. its already f'd) then you are doing no harm, but you are not doing much good either.

Maybe you missed my original comment. If you are getting a full 8 hours of sleep every night then you should _not_ be drinking caffeine after 4pm. Likewise, you should also NOT drink alcohol before bed. Further, weed, the topic of this thread, should be avoided after 4pm due to its prolonged effects on your body including impact to REM sleep.

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Post by _f9cu »

People complain about the bad sides of it. - memory dysfunction is the root of all effects.

If you loose memory why do you care. Did you worry about memory when you were kid?

Practice learning by self experience not by reading other researchers work. It works only for them.so discard it.

It's a holy herb and cleans your mind.

If you had memory issues it probably removed things that you don't like.

Now start looking what else you are. You can't. Because you wasted your time with social influences.

Instead practice meditation.

Worship your mind. Keep it disciplined.

One man's took another man's weapons.

If you are a fool, you will remain a fool.

Stay cool, and think what you can do.

It changes perspection. If you don't embrace it, you will see it's a loose shoe lace.

Be original, learn to be good and right. Expand your knowledge from there.

Memory is killed because it kills unhealthy influence you had and you forced yourself to be that.

Be grateful that it gave you memory issue.

Rebuild yourself from cleaned mind.

Being Grateful comes from meditation.

Once weed kills bad memories, being grateful helps you grow knowledge from the pure memory.

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Post by [deleted] »

_f9cu wrote: post #335

People complain about the bad sides of it. - memory dysfunction is the root of all effects. If you loose memory why do you care. Did you worry about memory when you were kid? Practice learning by self experience not by reading other researchers work. It works only for them.so discard it. It's a holy herb and cleans your mind. If you had memory issues it probably removed things that you don't like. Now start looking w…

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Post by leoh »

nenadg wrote: post #45

I smoked weed heavily from my ~16 to ~18. And I stopped because it was so overwhelming experience that I could not stand any more. I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing. Now, I'm 38. I'm functional (so far), I have family with kids. I haven't develop…

Although I'm not a fan of cannabis, it's worth considering that other people occasionally have trouble with "dates, lists... simple calculations" without drug use and lead successful, meaningful lives.

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Post by chris_wot »

dkersten wrote: post #297
chris_wot wrote: post #227

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So what you are saying is that one could claim to be true based on future investigation. In actual fact you are saying that you do not know which is true based on the limited information presented, not that neither can claim to be true. In fact, one could be true based on enough evidence. Your claim of reasonableness is a red herring - it could be that one interpretation may seem reasonable but on further investigati…

There is not enough evidence to know which of the claims is true: either one or neither could be. But both claims are as valid as each other in that the observations are true (but correlation != causation applies: both claims show a correlation, there is not enough evidence of whether either of them show causation)

Which negates the statement “neither can claim to be true”.

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Post by dkersten »

ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #326
dkersten wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

po-tay-toes po-tah-toes If weed gives you the dopamine release that you're addicted to, then there's no real difference to the user. There are also other mental reasons to get addicted, eg, to the escape from a stressful or unfulfilling or depressing reality. When taking opioids you are also addicted to a dopamine release, just because it affects that more directly doesn't really mean much beyond that the addiction h…

You don’t even know what opioids do, do you? Hint; it’s the withdrawal.

Just because something doesn’t have physical withdrawal or isn’t as severe doesn’t mean that it isn’t addiction or isn’t a problem. Your argument is akin to saying that you can’t complain about something if someone else is worse off than you, which is just bullshit. People who are addicted to, eg, gambling, can still have their lives destroyed.

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Post by dkersten »

chillwaves wrote: post #319
dkersten wrote: post #301

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> if that even exists Of course it exists. You can be addicted to anything: caffeine, chocolate, sugar, video games. It just means you have a dependence on it that is tough to break. It could be a physical addiction like nicotine or alcohol, but it could be a mental addiction or even just a routine that's hard to break. Anything that either provides stimulation or that numbs you is, in my opinion, pretty addictive: a…

What seems callous is disregarding the differences between physical addiction of drugs like caffeine, nicotine and alcohol -- which can kill you if you stop taking it suddenly. Sure, addicts like drugs and weed is a drug. I'm missing the part where the harm (to self and others) is anywhere near that of some of the others mentioned in this post. Like you said, you can be addicted to anything but it would be absurd to…

And yet non-physical addiction also destroys lives sometimes. I’m not equating chocolate to heroin, but all forms of addiction can cause problems and even destroy lives, just because one form is much worse and much more likely to do that, doesn’t mean that we should ignore all the other forms. What you’re saying sounds very much like saying that if someone is worse off than you, that you don’t have the right to complain about your problems, which is complete bullshit.
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