Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust • Hacker News Board

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by adev_ » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 4:48 PM UTC

rjf72 wrote: post #313

adev_ wrote: post #232

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And ? The Linux foundation heads have a similar salary range, like many other foundations and it is not an issue. "Not for profit" means with a public stated goal, means that your share holder will not suddenly overcome your company strategy and make you sell all your client data, or make you sell bananas, because "it's more profitable on short term". That is not an hypothetical scenario, many IT companies already fe…

Being non-profit does not somehow protect companies or their customers from making bad decisions. For instance Mozilla lately has been trying to take a position on privacy. They do this at the same time that they direct their users to Google search by default which is about as anti-privacy as you could possibly get. The reason is because they make a ton of money doing it. Other recent bad decisions from them would in…

And still I prefer all these decisions to a pseudo-compagny that try to create a monopoly on publicity by rebranding Google-chrome (WebKit). Brave could almost be qualified of a scam.

They have all ingredients of a scam, including an ICO.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by fesoliveira » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

EvanWinget wrote: post #225

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Problem with both is that they are still Chrome at the core. Currently Google has way too much power dictating how browsers render the web for users and things don't get any better by using any Chrome(ium) forks. Only real hold out is Firefox even Microsoft buckled under the pressure. If we lose Firefox then in the future don't be surprised when Chromium support suddenly stops and only game left in town is Chrome. No…

Apple will keep developing Safari, luckily, so there's still a 3-way race in many ways. Safari is only ~4% of desktop/laptop browsing but over 20% of mobile and with mainstream users slowly moving to tablets over laptops this presents an important and large user base.

If it comes down to Chrome or Safari, I will gladly use Chrome. Safari is far too wonky for me, and whenever I tried using it, I always had bad experiences. Google might be evil-ish, but I find their ecosystem far more pleasant than Apple's. And while Google might try to collect lots of data about my online behavior, I can always use something like a Pihole or other kinds of ad-block to stop them from getting that data.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by davesmith1983 » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

caiocaiocaio wrote: post #300

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Brendan Eich is a Catholic that is why he opposed same sex marriage. That doesn't make him a homophobe, that makes him someone that opposes same sex marriage because of his religious beliefs. People seem to constantly conflate opposition to Same Sex marriage with Homophobia. Sure I suspect that many homophobes are opposed to same sex marriage, but many libertarians are opposed to it because they don't believe Governm…

I didn't call him a homophobe. I called him a coward. I was raised Catholic. I went to Catholic schools for twelve years. One thing I noticed is that they only seem to be against homosexuality when it's not a priest raping a child. Using a world-wide institution to protect people who harm children is another act of cowardice.

Firstly I didn't reply to you.

Secondly I dunno where to start with this. Comparing homosexuality to Child abuse or implying that Brendan Eich is okay with it. The second is probably legally defamatory but IANAL.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by michaelmrose » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #289

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This ignores the actual issue with ads, which is tracking . Advertising has this huge system around it where your information is the commodity. This means that advertising inherently is not something you "opt into" when you visit a page. You are being tracked everywhere you go. That's the problem brave solves, but it accepts that removing ads without another system to reward content creators is important - hence BAT.

Then block tracking, but don't remove the advertising content. Or propose a solution that doesn't involve paying them with a worthless cryptocurrency, unless you'd like your salary to be paid in BAT.

Advertising is literally an attempt to manipulate people in a way that subverts their interests. It's like you are making money by giving a "free" concert wherein you are paid to kick the audience in the nuts and now you are shocked that people are starting to wear a cup.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by KKPMW » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

justsee wrote: post #94

robbrown451 wrote: post #41

I'm impressed with Brave. I've started using it as my primary browser (after a couple false starts a year or so ago) and it has all the best of Chrome without the worst. There is controversy about how Brave does stuff, and I agree there is some sketchy stuff they are doing (replacing ads with their own). I'm glad they are giving us a choice, though, and exploring different options for sites being able to makes some m…

Switched from Firefox to Brave in the last year across devices and not looking back (though I do miss containers!). Blocking ads and trackers by default is pretty much essential in 2019. The myth about ad replacement doesn't seem to want to die though! There is no ad replacement, though the roadmap says at some time in the future publishers who opt-in will have the option to have their ad-slots filled by Brave's priv…

> The myth about ad replacement doesn't seem to want to die though!

Just want to reinforce this from my experience. I've been using Brave since before they were based on Chromium. And a lot of comments were saying that Brave replaces adds with their own. But I never saw that.

Now they have a feature you can opt-in, to see adds and get BATs for that. I actually wanted to test this and opted in, but still never seen an add. I guess my location is not yet included.

So at least based on my experience from using Brave for a long time - it's hard to get adds even if you want to.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by jlarocco » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

Narishma wrote: post #269

agumonkey wrote: post #248

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Thinkpad x201, probably 2011. Maybe Firefox needs a minimum to perform adequately. But again, chrome really is slicker (massively so).

These are all just anecdotes. I use a low-end laptop from 2010 and Firefox works fine on it. I switched to it from Chrome years ago when they removed some functionality (I think it may have been the backspace to go back but it may have been something else) and I didn't notice any performance issues. If anything it got faster with the Quantum update though I haven't used Chrome since so I don't know how they compare.

I agree with you that it's usable, but on my machine (an i5 iMac/16 gb/Debian) it's slightly slower than Chromium. Not enough that I won't use it, but noticeablely slower.

I also agree with the upstream comments about UI clunkiness. There are a lot of things that irritate me about Firefox that Chromium just handles better.

Mostly little things like the "Recently Closed Tabs" menu is buried 6 levels deep in the "Library" menu. And the completion list that pops up when typing in the address bar always seems to miss pages I've visited but includes things that seem unrelated to what I'm typing in.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by Frondo » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

mindcandy wrote: post #330

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You are trying to make me say things I never said. What I did was try Brave out. I _want_ to like the product. On top of that I have a lot of respect for most of the people behind the project. As a security conscious person I looked at what kind of network activity there was on start. After installing Brave, I notice things that IMO should not be there. After that I even spent the time to search what it was. The link…

You never said it. A reasonable person would infer it. I spend too much time arguing with trolls on the internet for fun. I don't think you intended to, but your post uses a lot of techniques widely used by trolls such as: linking to the complicated, full explanation while telling an edited, "technically true" version that can be misinterpreted by a low-effort reader. Having an escape hatch is very important to them.…

This is preposterous. This kind of tone-policing doesn't belong here. A charitable read of what he said doesn't "tick off a checklist of a troll". The time to back down was a few posts ago.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by 18pfsmt » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

mindcandy wrote: post #325

wila wrote: post #309

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I'm not claiming they are doing something nefarious. Trust is something you have to earn. I do not install Chrome as I do not trust google. They have too much of my data already. Brave claims at their main page: "Brave is open source and built by a team of privacy focused, performance oriented pioneers of the web." OK well they failed my 5 minute test. Not having removed the SSDP parts is one thing. Not uninstalling…

You are implying that they are doing something nefarious by omission. Because it’s implied, you also gave yourself the escape hatch to say “Where did I say that?” When called out on it. A reasonable person reading your comment would think you are claiming the Brave team added code to surveil your network. If they dig deeper through the link you provided, they learn that the reality is that they inherited code from th…

>most people won’t dig

Calling out us HNers as mindless with your 4 month old account is a bad look.

Most of us that do not use Brave at this point do not necessarily use Chrome. In fact, those of us that care about the issues raised by the OP probably use Firefox and/or Chromium.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by agumonkey » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 6:30 PM UTC

Narishma wrote: post #269

agumonkey wrote: post #248

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Thinkpad x201, probably 2011. Maybe Firefox needs a minimum to perform adequately. But again, chrome really is slicker (massively so).

These are all just anecdotes. I use a low-end laptop from 2010 and Firefox works fine on it. I switched to it from Chrome years ago when they removed some functionality (I think it may have been the backspace to go back but it may have been something else) and I didn't notice any performance issues. If anything it got faster with the Quantum update though I haven't used Chrome since so I don't know how they compare.

what cpu/gpu do you have ? my i5 520m 8GB mx500 ssd really struggles.. maybe you have a discrete gpu ?

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by bubblethink » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 6:32 PM UTC

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #224

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>There is controversy about how Brave does stuff, and I agree there is some sketchy stuff they are doing I would be more open to trying/using brave if someone respectable packaged it. As of writing, not a single distro packages it. It would lower my barrier to entry a lot if it were packaged by debian/fedora/f-droid. It doesn't imply anything serious, just that it can be built from source and that it passed the distr…

Nix packages it: https://nixos.org/nixos/packages.html#brave , which means you could use the Nix stand-alone package manager to install it on top of any distro. (I just tried this and am typing this from Brave, installed via the Nix stand-alone package manager running in Void Linux.)

It's fetching brave's binary. That's not what I meant by packaging.

src = fetchurl { url = "https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/releases/download/v${... sha256 = "1lbajxnxqkd422rckfjm65pwwzl66v7anq4jrzxi29d5x7abl3c1"; };

Also, bad look for nixos. I was curious about nixos too, but it'll have to be debian and fedora for now.