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Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by chank »

irrational wrote: post #323
chank wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of post comes up every few weeks here on HN. I also revisit FF every once in a while, last time being when all the news went about Chrome possibly breaking ad-blockers. Chromes UX is still better than FF, IMO.

I think this is just what you are accustomed to. I use FF as my main browser. Anytime I use Chrome it drives me nuts because the UX sucks. But, the truth is that Chrome's UX probably doesn't really suck, I'm just not accustomed to it.

I can see that in a lot of cases. Accustomed, sure. I consider myself pretty adaptable, but still prefer Chromes UX over FF. If FF could be tuned easily to act "exactly" like Chrome, that might ease the transition for a lot of people. Honestly though, I also hate the way FF draws it's windows and widgets. It still feels like it has that just barely out of the 90's UI vibe to me. So aside from how it set's itself up by default for things, I also find it quite an eye sore. Opinions may vary.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by gmueckl »

stonewhite wrote: post #142
needle0 wrote: post #7

Vertical. Tabs. For my usecase, nuff said. Chrome developers WONTFIXed requests for this a long time ago, so keep using Firefox I will (that and doing my part to preserve web engine diversity). Additionally, I've begun trying out Brave/Vivaldi/Opera to see if I can uninstall Chrome from my system entirely; They all run Blink, so I assume I can open the occasional compatibility-issue pages on those.

I have gone Vivaldi and after a month, I don't see myself reverting to either FF or Chrome. Needs some tweaking in the settings, yet it is fast and neat the in the end. I don't see myself going back with my current experience.

I have been sticking to Vivaldi as my main browser for a while now. I spend a lot of time with web browsers and Vivaldi has a UI that is quite the opposite of dumbed down. It is quite customizable and if you try it out, the first things you should do is head tonthe settings and tweak things to your liking.

There are some minor hicups here and there (mostly with video playback on Linux and the rare browser detection logic going off the rails), but nothing so major that I would consider switching away.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mevile »

iamdamian wrote: post #234
mevile wrote: post #227

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I tried your changes. Your userChrome.css breaks containers though, as it hides the container color from the tabs. Your changes also breaks all the privacy controls you can get from Firefox on a per site basis. I think if someone tried your css and chose very strict privacy options they're not going to have any way to see that privacy control options may have broken a page. Those things in the address bar are vital.…

You’re right that it removes the color bars, so I’ve commented out that line as optional. But as far as I know, this CSS doesn't hide any site-specific privacy-related controls. Which ones are you referring to? Note on the color bars: I'd rather not have extra noise in the tabs because I determine which container I’m in through the address bar and automated domain containers. Of course, for someone who wants an overv…

I'm sorry I was mistaken on the per-site privacy controls being removed. I can't edit the comment to fix my mistake. The controls didn't appear on a page that I thought it would, but I found another and with your css it was still there. My mistake.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by clairity »

orpheline wrote: post #101

I'm apparently one of those rare people who never switched off Firefox - it's been my default browser on Mac and Linux for years. Open source, good plugin ecosystem, and does everything I need (not a web developer, so the dev tools were never a strong selling point for me). I've used Chrome here and there through the years, but the more invasive Google became about data collection, the less inclined I've been to use…

yup, i've been a user since v0.3, when it was called phoenix. chrome's been handy for dev/testing but not as a primary browser, as google's ambitions/intentions became evident with gmail's debut.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by Someone1234 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #296
Lazare wrote: post #59

I switched to Chrome from Firefox years ago because Chrome has a better UX (faster, snappier, cleaner UI). A couple years ago I tried to switch back to Firefox (right after the Quantum project landed, and Firefox was meant to be a lot faster), but found FF to still be bloated, slow, and painful to use. A couple weeks ago I made another try to switch back to FF, and I have found the experience to be very pleasant this…

The funny thing is a lot of what makes Chrome seem faster are subtle hacks. They show an empty window while it all loads so does Firefox now. Firefox used to only show the window once everything rendered. Firefox was a lot faster at rendering web pages from my experience before they changed this. I am sure theres other subtle changes out there. I remember after Quantum pages would render HTML so fast and asynchronous…

Is progressive rendering really a "hack" at this point? I mean everything you said is correct, just feels like at this point progressive rendering is the web-norm and lacking it is lacking a basic piece of functionality.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by baggy_trough »

Firefox needs native support for Chrome's persona/people menu. A game changer for home/business users.

Also, the Firefox UI for the main window / tabs looks terrible on macOS compared to Chrome or Safari. Really non-native and ugly.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by godelski »

bin0 wrote: post #79

Proud firefox convert. I used chrome for quite a number of years, but their quantum update convinced me to move (though I've seen other posts mentioning it was seriously buggy at first, I didn't switch right away). As others have mentioned, containers are a bit of a killer app. Plus, firefox is going to keep ad-blocker support. It's not perfect, and chrome is probably more stable. I've gotten memory leaks, crashes (m…

I'm in that boat. I use FF but I do face weird bugs. I also realize I'm on Linux. Weird bugs: things that use Google fonts sometimes make the text white on a white search or form box. Anytime I get a Google survey this happens or like when using tends. But not in the Google search bar. Send tabs I love but for some reason I can't send to my Pixel 2. Though I can send from it. Another is that I work in graphics and if I hit my GPU hard then FF will crash. It also won't recovery after the program releases GPU allocation.

These are super minor problems though. I don't need to see what I'm typing so I don't need it and it happens only a few times a month. I would like to send stuff to my phone but more often I'm sending the other direction. Battery life? Who isn't almost always plugged into their charger.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by incompatible »

Lazare wrote: post #322
PatrolX wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox 67 is switchworthy. I've used nothing but Chrome since forever and I've never been a fan of FF until 67 came out, it's definitely worthy of trying it out for a week. I haven't used Chrome since FF 67 and I'm not missing it.

Yes, FF 67 does seem to be a whole new beast.

I've used Firefox since practically forever. I haven't noticed any major changes in recent versions.

Except for when they briefly broke all the plugins.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by iopq »

Gracana wrote: post #186
crumpets wrote: post #85

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That’s difficult for a common workflow. Going into “settings” for a password is as goofy as going into settings to look at your calendar.

What common workflow requires accessing usernames and passwords manually?

When the URL of the login form changes, or Firefox doesn't see it, or you need to log in to a mobile app
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