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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by geff82 »

jacquesm wrote: post #252
geff82 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland is the current plan. It will enable me to keep my business in Germany while not living in CrazyLand myself. I also considered USA and Canada, yet this would mean more problems (at least at the beginning). I am quite familiar with Switzerland and I appreciate their special political system a lot.

If you want to move out of the sphere of influence of the copyright cartels you're going to have to achieve escape velocity at some point. Those places where copyright infringement is not going to result in repercussions are generally not worth living in.

While it might not seem so, I totally favor the enforcement of copyright laws (I still think they are over the top in their current form, but anyway, I am not against them). I just think that the individual user is responsible, not a platform. And this is what the big problem with all this is. We are living in a platform world as this eases things, yet they are given a task they can not possibly complete without essentially giving up on what they do). There will never be something like a European Youtube again, it is a financially impossible task now.

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

dingaling wrote: post #302
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #116

Humanity did not change since WW2. The one big difference is/was the Internet. Without a free Internet, who knows what happens. It is unbelievable.

You can still communicate freely with your European colleagues. Take a photo, send it in an IM. Chat about politics. What you can't do is claim that uploading a rip of Generic Marvel Action Movie VIII is 'communication'.

When a company says it starts collecting data for the purpose of a and b then it is correct. Fine. However, the company very soon finds out that it can make more money out of the collected data when using it for purpose c and d.

I am sure the same will be done by the EU states in regards to upload filter. First, they use it in order to block data because there's a copyright in place, but very soon it's going to be blocked for other reasons (e.g. the user sends a message with a keyword the EU doesn't like etc.).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by kaybe »

pierreb wrote: post #277
Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

Sorry -- not all affected platforms are run by "big corporations". All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones. This will severely harm the EU startup scene in that category.

Does that rule contain a definition of 'platform'? I probably cannot just change the name every 3 years, can I?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by philpem »

Hamuko wrote: post #281
dingaling wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

You sure about that? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523

Ooh, nice one. That's an even better example than Beethoven.

Even better still: there's a song which consists of 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence. That's it - silence.

"Your latest video upload contains 5 seconds of stunned silence, which has been identified as an extract of 4'33". This extract is copyrighted. Your video has been deleted."

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by random878 »

naveen99 wrote: post #320
random878 wrote: post #312

As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading... The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Tw…

The internet is already by definition a collection of separate networks...

I'm speaking more about the publics perception, rather than a technical definition that most on HN know.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by koonsolo »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

Because politicians are stupid. If you look at the pros and cons of this law, Europe has nothing to gain. Not for the people, not for the companies.

This is a law that works to mainly serve the big copyright holders, and in a second degree, impacts the big tech multinationals (=read US companies) less than the smaller ones.

It makes no sense at all. Especially since all member states will have their own law. "Does our filter comply with Belgium law? Also with Luxemburg? And what about Slovenia?".

It's a big farce, that can only be approved by total morons that don't even bother to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by duxup »

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

Non profit platforms are easily bullied by legal threats. I really don't think they're the island of hope you're thinking of.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by godzillabrennus »

jaabe wrote: post #321

I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain. Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off…

If you host a video that you don’t own you facilitate copyright theft.

Expect a takedown notice and it goes away.

These big companies let people upload their own videos.

Now they are liable for what their users share.

Expect them to disable letting users share videos.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by csunbird »

Xelbair wrote: post #330
dingaling wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

Yeah, i am really curious what approach will content hosting companies take. Will they analyze each video if it is a illegal or legal one, checking everything... or just implement a simple, fast and cheap filter that will block most of the content, with no way to appeal the ruling, just like youtube is doing now...

While I do agree with your point on this, I do not think the Youtube's Content ID is cheap at all.
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