$11,500 screams greed to me, how much money is enough?
Google .dev domain early access
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Re: Google .dev domain early access
#332Would it be wise to hoard a bunch of brand name domains in hopes they become valuable?
Most likely the registry won’t let you buy trademarked domains if you can’t prove you have the trademark. There is a period set aside for tm holders. I would stay far away from any brand or tm domains at any time. You will eventually lose the domain through a udrp. And you could likely get sued as well.
Only if both the company and the registry give enough of a shit. For example, microsoft.ba has been sqatted since 2006.
Despite Microsoft having a presence in the country, they still can't get .ba thanks to an incompetent registry in charge of .ba TLDs.
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#333I feel like if they're going to force https on .dev domains they should just bundle certs with the domain itself. I like https as much as the next guy but it's simply not necessary in many types of websites (e.g. a website with documentation and third party binary links), and they're not making it as painless as it could be to comply with their own rules
>it's simply not necessary in many types of websites (e.g. a website with documentation and third party binary links)
I see debates about HTTPS as being a bit like debates about wearing pants in public. "Technically, if a subway station is empty and the AC is working, you don't have to wear pants." "You don't gain anything by wearing pants in a deserted forest when the weather is nice." "Wearing pants is a lot of work, and every day before putting them on I check to make absolutely sure that I will suffer dire consequences if I leave them off."
In all of these cases, you are betting big that none of the situations will go sideways for unexpected reasons (how sure are you that you have thought of 100% of the ways in which going pants-less in a subway station could get you in trouble, and how sure are you that none of them will happen?), but the reward for taking on that risk is almost nothing.
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Premium" domains are resold domains. The prices are typically dictated by the person holding them.
Premium prices are set at the registry level, and for Google's TLDs, are charged annually. The EAP fee is a one time only up-front cost. Domains being sold by resellers are something different entirely, but yeah, some registrars that participate in reseller networks may lump those in as "premium" as well, which is confusing. Those prices tend to be one-time acquisition costs.
Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)?
If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…
Hi, just wanted to say how absolutely horrid this entire idea is. Domain name squatting and auctioning is already bad enough, and you're telling me we should give one of the richest companies in the world thousands of dollars for a domain name for development. This is completely counter to the spirit of the internet, and spits in the face of open source and passionate hobby developers who don't have silicon valley st…
I don't understand the bile here, nor the alternative. Today there are no .dev domains, so anything is an improvement: today you can't use them, tomorrow you can choose to if you think it makes sense.
Re: price, say the .dev registrar decides to offer domains for a hobby-dev-friendly $1 flat fee, first come first served. Wouldn't that just immediately lead to a resale market where predatory squatters register all the domains and extract the market price from anybody who wants one?
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…
Hi, just wanted to say how absolutely horrid this entire idea is. Domain name squatting and auctioning is already bad enough, and you're telling me we should give one of the richest companies in the world thousands of dollars for a domain name for development. This is completely counter to the spirit of the internet, and spits in the face of open source and passionate hobby developers who don't have silicon valley st…
I can't tell if your argument is that we should artificially limit TLDs to increase competition? Is that the point you are making?
Literally: "We will create monopolies and increase competition."
Unbelievable.
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#337This "early-access" price which decreases over time is an approximation of a Dutch auction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction Dutch auctions are incentive-compatible - they allocate the resource to the person that gains the highest utility for having it. Maybe Google got some of the people working on ads auctions to design this pricing structure.
Or companies that value the $100-10k for the early registration fee so little that it's a drop in the bucket compared to individuals. I'd like to have a very short domain personally but it's hard to anticipate what the demand will be like here.
Yeah, there are domain names out there that are so valuable that they've sold for eight figures USD. There definitely are domains that buyers (typically companies) are willing to spend well over $10k on acquiring. It's with this in mind that the EAP prices are set.
Re: Google .dev domain early access
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi, just wanted to say how absolutely horrid this entire idea is. Domain name squatting and auctioning is already bad enough, and you're telling me we should give one of the richest companies in the world thousands of dollars for a domain name for development. This is completely counter to the spirit of the internet, and spits in the face of open source and passionate hobby developers who don't have silicon valley st…
I don't understand the bile here, nor the alternative. Today there are no .dev domains, so anything is an improvement: today you can't use them, tomorrow you can choose to if you think it makes sense. Re: price, say the .dev registrar decides to offer domains for a hobby-dev-friendly $1 flat fee, first come first served. Wouldn't that just immediately lead to a resale market where predatory squatters register all the…
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Re: Google .dev domain early access
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue might be executing 3rd party code on a server.
ACME is an open protocol (and very soon it will be an IETF Internet Standard too). There are many alternative implementations. Just find one you trust. We actually did our own DNS-based implementation for our infrastructure.
I don't want to run someone else's code on my server just for this (the default certbot wants root access too, yikes), nor do I want to analyze someone else's implementation before running their code, and I sure as heck don't have the time, patience, or interest to write my own implementation of ACME just for the one service that uses it.
I want to go to a website, have it tell me to put a string into a meta tag or DNS TXT record, and then save the key it returns on my box. Then I want to forget about it for the next 2-3 years.
Honestly I don't even want to do that. I want my nameserver to generate a DANE/DNSSEC record for me automatically, and for browsers to honor that. It isn't like domain verification is any more secure than a DNSSEC record would be.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Our ML predictor calculated with 95% confidence that in the next 3 years your software will become our competitor, damaging our projected profits. We decided to terminate your domain ownership and auctioned it off to PigsDoAds Inc., effectively immediately. Our ensemble of customer support chatbots wishes you a wonderful day! "
Buy and transfer to namecheap?
Namecheap is also participating in EAP for .dev, so you can skip the transfer entirely.