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Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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So you can't think of any reason that the Chinese would be upset about specifically English speaking people implying Hong Kong isn't part of China? I mean, I get that you don't like them, but at a certain point it becomes willful ignorance.

I know why China is upset about it. They know that a large percentage of the population of Hong Kong doesn't want to be part of China. And they have done everything in their power to make sure that the Hong Kong independence movement doesn't gain a foothold. From punishing protestors to eroding local autonomy, to encouraging mainland immigration, to manipulating global speech. This isn't about some disadvantaged coun…

1997 was not a century ago.

Bias buster for you: what if you applied the same level of hostile rhetoric and numerical exaggeration to the deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? Or, God forbid, applied dispassionate analysis to all 5?

Let me guess, that's whataboutism?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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It wasn't just censorship in the traditional sense, Huffman changed someone else's content that was posted. What an insane and unbelievably poor decision by the CEO of a major company. Sure, the size of Huffman's change was small and limited in scope, but the injustice that it represented combined with the incredible lack of judgment by the Chief Executive rightfully rightfully caused a loud response. He absolutely s…

>but the injustice Let's chill out with the over-the-top rhetoric because few of us are paying customers of reddit and it's their database at the end of the day. Stop manufacturing outrage please

I don't agree that just because some content is in Reddit's database that they "own" it, but let's set that aside for a moment.

Even if we allow that Reddit owns all content in its database absolutely, they are also making an implicit representation that what is in the database is what the user actually typed. A poll of all reddit users asking "do you expect what is shown to be what the user typed?" will come up "Yes".

I imagine the outrage felt by those reddit users is not for this violation, which is small in scope, but for the realization that reality can be changed out from under them, and the uncertainty about that power asymmetry being used against them.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Who would say yes? If the company is public, all of this is covered under SOX compliance or other regulations. If you're truly going to get fired by the CEO for not complying, better that than be the one thrown under the bus when the SEC (or other gov body) comes knocking.

SOX compliance is about financial systems, not about some random discussion forum.

It's very much about access to production data, in addition to financial systems.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

#335

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I know why China is upset about it. They know that a large percentage of the population of Hong Kong doesn't want to be part of China. And they have done everything in their power to make sure that the Hong Kong independence movement doesn't gain a foothold. From punishing protestors to eroding local autonomy, to encouraging mainland immigration, to manipulating global speech. This isn't about some disadvantaged coun…

1997 was not a century ago. Bias buster for you: what if you applied the same level of hostile rhetoric and numerical exaggeration to the deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? Or, God forbid, applied dispassionate analysis to all 5? Let me guess, that's whataboutism?

>1997 was not a century ago.

What was done to China in 1997? I'd say the people of Hong Kong have legitimate grievances against The British government from that year. Not offering them full citizenship for instance. They also have legitimate Grievances against China for not taking their opinions into account

>deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe?

So what? The US government has done bad things, and continues to do bad things. I'm not going to try to defend those actions. "Oh well we imprison too many black people, but China's bad too, so I guess that makes it OK." That's the equivalent argument.

At the same time it doesn't stop the Chinese government from being objectively horrible, (and objectively worse on most fronts), and it doesn't stop me from wanting to limit their influence over my country.

>Let me guess, that's whataboutism?

Yes, that's the definition of whataboutism. Hanging a lantern on it doesn't mean it's not true.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

#336

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1997 was not a century ago. Bias buster for you: what if you applied the same level of hostile rhetoric and numerical exaggeration to the deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? Or, God forbid, applied dispassionate analysis to all 5? Let me guess, that's whataboutism?

>1997 was not a century ago. What was done to China in 1997? I'd say the people of Hong Kong have legitimate grievances against The British government from that year. Not offering them full citizenship for instance. They also have legitimate Grievances against China for not taking their opinions into account >deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? So what? The US government has done bad things, and…

You'll note that I haven't defended anything except sovereignty over HK.

If you only apply extreme rhetoric and exaggeration towards one country, that's bias. At a certain point, all you're saying is that you really really don't like China. Whatever. They'll continue as they are and we'll continue being a house divided against itself that doesn't build anything.

Hopefully we don't start any "just" wars over it. America has a bad habit of doing that.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

#337
I wonder how many strings come attached to this investment. I.e. if Reddit does something offensive to China - for example, publishes some state secret they'd like to keep hidden, etc., - would Chinese government lean on Tencent so that they lean on Reddit to change it?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

#338

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>1997 was not a century ago. What was done to China in 1997? I'd say the people of Hong Kong have legitimate grievances against The British government from that year. Not offering them full citizenship for instance. They also have legitimate Grievances against China for not taking their opinions into account >deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? So what? The US government has done bad things, and…

You'll note that I haven't defended anything except sovereignty over HK. If you only apply extreme rhetoric and exaggeration towards one country, that's bias. At a certain point, all you're saying is that you really really don't like China. Whatever. They'll continue as they are and we'll continue being a house divided against itself that doesn't build anything. Hopefully we don't start any "just" wars over it. Ameri…

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

#339

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>1997 was not a century ago. What was done to China in 1997? I'd say the people of Hong Kong have legitimate grievances against The British government from that year. Not offering them full citizenship for instance. They also have legitimate Grievances against China for not taking their opinions into account >deeds of the other 4 UNSC members over a given timeframe? So what? The US government has done bad things, and…

You'll note that I haven't defended anything except sovereignty over HK. If you only apply extreme rhetoric and exaggeration towards one country, that's bias. At a certain point, all you're saying is that you really really don't like China. Whatever. They'll continue as they are and we'll continue being a house divided against itself that doesn't build anything. Hopefully we don't start any "just" wars over it. Ameri…

>You'll note that I haven't defended anything except sovereignty over HK.

You did. I pointed out examples of bad things China is doing to explain why I don't want Chinese companies to partially own American media companies. You countered with: whatabout the bad stuff other countries have done.

If that wasn't a defense, then it was an irrelevant tangent that you had no reason to bring up. I don't go around to threads about the problems with US criminal justice system and start talking about Chinese organ harvesting.

Clearly you aren't here to argue in good faith.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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