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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by saagarjha »

Krasnol wrote: post #186
thinkindie wrote: post #170

"pizza in berlin" lacks several options, and I just checked my neighbourhood. This is why I'm still using google maps on my iphone, their search results are far better and more accurate

"pizza in frankfurt am main" is terrible. Scrolling with shift (!?) doesn't work at all in my FF. I can't change the search term on the map page... The satellite view doesn't have street names (????!) Edit: the link I click is a yelp.com link. Why are we even talking about Apples privacy here and not yelps? What a horrible step back...

> The satellite view doesn't have street name

Are you sure you're not in hybrid view?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by giancarlostoro »

SubMachineGhost wrote: post #309
cageface wrote: post #285

I’m a bit concerned about how much data Google has on me and I do think Apple is genuinely more concerned about user privacy. But what’s the difference in practical terms really? Google uses my data to target ads at me but doesn’t actually give any of my data to its ad-buying customers. Apple doesn’t do this but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. Since this is really the scenari…

> Google uses my data to target ads at me but doesn’t actually give any of my data to its ad-buying customers. Apple doesn’t do this but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. I agree with you, but Google is way more aggressive in its data collection behavior than apple and i am getting sick of that. I have been using Google maps this past month and i noticed some dark patterns : -…

I'm seriously considering going iPhone for the first time, I've been an Android user since I could get my hands on an Android phone on Sprint for the first time (2009? I think...) and lived through the crappiness of early Android. I prefer Android cause I can root it, but I never do, feel like it will break something I want if I use a "ROM" (why they're not called DISTROS is beyond me) but also last time I tried to install a ROM I screwed up my phone so bad I had to factory reset the hard way through a tutorial, I basically bricked it.

With iOS I only get iOS or jailbroken iOS. Not really satisfying, but Google made an open source kernel into a proprietary mess of literal spyware.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by truncate »

setr wrote: post #283
aeontech wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's Services revenue hit 10 billion per quarter in the last earnings report, and it's growing steadily. Yeah, it doesn't compare to hardware sales, but I don't think it can be called a minor insignificant stream any more, can it?

What does services actually consist of? From [1], it looks like the major components are the app store, iTunes/Music (purchases, I assume) and the iCloud? I'm not seeing the data dependency that would incentivize Apple to look to Google for advice, at least not in this category. The closest might be recommendation systems, but afaik even Netflix only collects from its own information pools, and the main chunk of it i…

Amazon I think tracks whatever it can. Whenever I visit a product, even if I didn't buy it the product (or something similar) will show up as "Continue shopping ...", and not very later as ads on my Facebook feed. It almost creeps me out (I use quite a few filters on uBlock), considering there is no visible facebook "Like" button on Amazon.

Not sure how it works, but whatever I see on Amazon shows up as ads on Facebook.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by cageface »

t0astbread wrote: post #284

It's a shame to see that DuckDuckGo and many other such companies (yes, also Apple) jump on every "privacy" marketing opportunity they get but largely ignore related user rights such as freedom of information and free software. Actions like this, the fact that DDGs core components are still proprietary and the freezing of DuckDuckHack just kinda make me think DDG sometimes cares more about the PR than its users. Don'…

I struggle with this too. I applaud Apple's emphasis on privacy but they've probably done more than any single company to advance the spread of proprietary software. If they had it their way then their app store would be the single gatekeeper for all non-trivial consumer apps. I have plenty of issues with Google but I can still sideload an APK on my phone if I want and I see Google doing a lot more to help the web compete with native apps than Apple does. I don't want to live in a world where a arbitrary app store rejection means my app effectively doesn't exist.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by ramraj07 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #332
SubMachineGhost wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google uses my data to target ads at me but doesn’t actually give any of my data to its ad-buying customers. Apple doesn’t do this but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. I agree with you, but Google is way more aggressive in its data collection behavior than apple and i am getting sick of that. I have been using Google maps this past month and i noticed some dark patterns : -…

I'm seriously considering going iPhone for the first time, I've been an Android user since I could get my hands on an Android phone on Sprint for the first time (2009? I think...) and lived through the crappiness of early Android. I prefer Android cause I can root it, but I never do, feel like it will break something I want if I use a "ROM" (why they're not called DISTROS is beyond me) but also last time I tried to i…

You know, I switched to an iPhone exactly for this purpose years back. Got an iPhone 6s and used it for years.

It was definitely not easy giving up the convenience of integrations you got with Google, the small things. In the end apple maps suck compared to Google and if you want to look for a restaurant well would you rather give your info to Yelp/foursquare than Google? So Google maps it is.

After a bit you get used to it, apple does scratch your privacy itch by showing things like when an app is using your location.

Then after three years I had to upgrade, I was like that was grest, but fuck me if I have to shell out 10 Benjamins for a fucking phone when I can get an as good phone (everything except privacy) for half that price. I just purchased a Galaxy S9 and finally remembered how much I used to like Android.

Moral of the story is, if you're anything like me, you'll eventually be like fuck it Google take my data give me a cheap good phone.

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Post by bduerst »

GeekyBear wrote: post #307
ehsankia wrote: post #294

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That's a very misleading way of putting it. From your own article: > In addition, Google does not know what products people bought.

Of course not. Whose credit card statement includes a listing of the individual items you purchased at a store during a particular transaction?

It's not in the statements that you received, it's a reciprocity agreement between retailers and CC companies to share the data by CC #

For example, CC companies could give you your itemized purchase history for Macy's on your statement, if they wanted to.

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Post by macintux »

jjoske wrote: post #200
SEJeff wrote: post #104

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That and from a purely data privacy angle, Apple is legitimately better than Google.

If Apple could see a way to make money out of your data they would do it without blinking. The only reason they went with the privacy angle was that they failed when they tried to build their own ad network.

They failed with their ad network in part because they weren’t willing to share user data with advertisers. You’re conflating correlation and causation.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by andrepd »

tyingq wrote: post #311
davidhyde wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDG’s “product” is a privacy centric search. Once they get big why would they throw their product away and become like the competition? That simply does not make any sense because the only reason why most people use them is the privacy aspect. Good on Apple and DDG for realising that privacy has value and using that to grow their product.

Brin and Page pretty much say it's inevitable that a commerical search engine will succumb to "evil". The only solution they present is an academic/non-profit run search engine. http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html (scroll down to "Appendix A: Advertising and Mixed Motives")

The owners of a commercial search engine say that it's inevitable that a commercial search engine will succumb to evil.

Hmmm.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by thekyle »

foxes wrote: post #326

Why are people such fans of Ddg and not searx.me? searx is entirely open source and you can run your own instance. Ddg reportedly does collect some information (?), and their core is closed source.

I think it's probably that DDG does a better job at marketing themselves. Whenever there is any sort of privacy scandal there always seems to be some comment from their PR dept.

Personally, I am highly skeptical regarding DDG and find much of their marketing to be hyperbolic (see the duck.com foolishness [0]). For me, I feel that if I'm just going to get Bing search results and Bing ads, I might as well just use Bing.

[0]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/20/17595612/google-antitrust...

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by uabstraction »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Oh please! Apple may not represent the same privacy clusterfuck that Google does, but that doesn't make them good. They still are absolutely abhorrent with regards to vendor lock-in and planned obsolescence.
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