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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by millstone »

adimitrov wrote: post #314
sinstein wrote: post #284

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Microsoft partnered with BrowserStack a while ago to allow free testing of Edge - https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-microsoft-edge-browser#...

I like BrowserStack, and I use it a lot at work, but it's way too slow to be part of the core code, test, debug loop, simply because it's far from a native experience. As long as that's the case, support for Edge/IE is always going to be a second-class citizen for me. Safari, too, since that's only on Mac OS, and God help you if you need to debug web apps for iPads. There is no good way, and the only tool you have is…

> God help you if you need to debug web apps for iPads

Why invoke God, a Mac is a few hundred $s?

Honestly I think second class citizen is acceptable, even preferable. Chrome is always available if the site is just too compelling to ignore. But most of the web is user-hostile, and directs its barrels at Chrome.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pmontra »

cmsimike wrote: post #201
happymellon wrote: post #197

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How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

I used those VMs maybe 10 years ago (I remeber one with Windows 8 maybe.)

Then I stopped and none of my customers ever complained. Either nobody uses IE/Edge or the web applications I work on are too simple and render well in every browser on every OS.

Actually I remember a few complaints: somebody using IE7 (?) on Windows XP when it was already EOL (my customer decided not to support it), a bug of Safari we investigated and worked around (can't remember the details), something not working on Chrome because I tested on Firefox (my bad, one such a bug in 10 years.)

Am I sorry about the death of Edge? Not really. Safari next, but being Apple what it is, this is not going to happen. I wish we have only browsers that work across operating systems.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by adrianhel »

SwellJoe wrote: post #293
colordrops wrote: post #257

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I can't quite put my finger on it but something feels wrong about blaming the general populace for Edge's failure as a browser. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on Earth. They've had every opportunity to use every marketing channel and dump resources into the team to make Edge an obvious winner. But they didn't.

I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web links. I don't use Edge (or Chrome) because I don't trust the companies that make them, and it's one small piece of my computing life I can withhold from them. So...there's nothing they could do to make Edge good enough for me, without fixing the lack of trust I…

I know what they could do. Release it as Internet Explorer Edge and include IE11 as Lecagy Internet Explorer 11.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vegasdew »

Torwald wrote: post #231
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

Is there any tool to test for standards? Also do you use W3C or WhatWG standards? /s

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by millstone »

deno wrote: post #325
millstone wrote: post #319

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It's pretty easy honestly. Download a free VM and test away: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v... In practice Chrome is not that cross platform. WebGL is an example: Chrome renders differently due to its use of ANGLE, has bad performance due to its GPU blacklist, etc. If you want to support Windows you have to test on Windows, period, regardless of browser. More generally this take was good…

> It's pretty easy honestly. Download a free VM and test away: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v... . Unless you have SR-IOV setup this doesn’t tell you if the website is slow because of lack of GPU acceleration or something you could fix. Still at least you can see if it actually works, unlike Safari.

Yes Apple could do leagues more to improve testability of Safari; they're by far the worst in this area.

The broader point is that applications may perform or behave radically differently even under a Chrome monoculture. So you're still on the hook for platform-specific testing, if you actually care.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by __m »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

i don’t think some css layout bug or js script will crash windows. The people complaining about monoculture probably don’t install or recommend Chrome

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by millstone »

sho wrote: post #247
cmsimike wrote: post #201

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http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if testing on your browser means downloading a 4GB+ image every couple months and having it take up all my memory in a clunky VM and messing around with how it gets its IP and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update while I'm tethering and did I mention you have to redo it all every couple of months?... then I'm not testing against your browser.

Then how are you testing your browser? Are you assuming that testing Chrome on ThisOS is sufficient testing for Chrome on EveryOtherOS?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

btschaegg wrote: post #315
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

> It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow. 100% agree here. I'd be way more worried about monoculture if any other browser would be discontinued, but the MS browser history was and is just a shitshow. I can't even remember how many years MS and even some people in my…

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by sbuk »

dmihal wrote: post #224
badminton1 wrote: post #223

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It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it. They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.

Unfortunately, for some people that "E" means "internet"

In the same unfortunate manner that the chrome icon means the same to more? Not saying that Chrome is a bad browser, but we railed against the IE monoculture, we railed against Webkit when Blink was released. Now we have a Google run monoculture.
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