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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by golergka »

bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

TFlops is correllated with perfomance, but this corellation is not that perfect that you can just use TFlops as a stand-in for perfomance. Perfomance is complex. I'd wait for benchmarks.

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Post by ajsalminen »

bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

Where are you getting these TFLOPS numbers? I haven't seen them in anything other than rumors that got a lot of things wrong so I wouldn't be too certain about them.

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Post by ajsalminen »

snuxoll wrote: post #227
jdietrich wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia's market cap is nearly 8x that of AMD. Volume =/= profit.

NVDA also has a significantly higher market share than AMD does right now, that doesn't change that $200-300 is still the most common price point for consumer GPU purchases. Current Steam user survey results (now that the over-counting issue has been fixed) shows the GTX 1060 as the single most popular GPU installed by active Steam users with a 12.5% market share, the GTX 1050 Ti and 1050 take second and third place…

Where are the TFLOPS figures from? I don't think Nvidia has officially released those but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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Post by rsynnott »

Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #96
bitL wrote: post #85

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It's the 2-year warranty, translation of manuals and a need to have office in all major EU markets due to different legal stuff that makes it all pricier.

Don't forget taxes. US prices are typically listed without tax included, whereas I'm guessing the European ones include VAT.

Yeah; it's illegal to list prices for consumer products ex. VAT. If you're b2b you're allowed list ex-VAT but you are required to be very clear about what you're doing.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by bitL »

ajsalminen wrote: post #333
snuxoll wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVDA also has a significantly higher market share than AMD does right now, that doesn't change that $200-300 is still the most common price point for consumer GPU purchases. Current Steam user survey results (now that the over-counting issue has been fixed) shows the GTX 1060 as the single most popular GPU installed by active Steam users with a 12.5% market share, the GTX 1050 Ti and 1050 take second and third place…

Where are the TFLOPS figures from? I don't think Nvidia has officially released those but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/98xzfb/geforce_rtx_...

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Post by [deleted] »

saiya-jin wrote: post #325
Retric wrote: post #176

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Exchange rates fluctuate, often it’s been ~1.05:1 which is a long way from covering the 20% VAT. Add some uncertainty, stronger consumer protection laws, and smaller markets and the price difference is relatively small.

> the price difference is relatively small Where in reality there shouldn't be any, since sending stuff across the pond costs nothing as seen in products like bananas. At least I live in place which has only 8% VAT, so prices look a bit more like US (but still higher for no good reason)

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by ajsalminen »

bitL wrote: post #335
ajsalminen wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are the TFLOPS figures from? I don't think Nvidia has officially released those but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/98xzfb/geforce_rtx_...

Thanks. Not sure where they got it from. The Anandtech article that is linked to there does contain some TFLOPS numbers but I think they came up with those numbers somehow based on the CUDA core count so could well not be accurate.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by AstralStorm »

dogma1138 wrote: post #15
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

Turing and Volta can do concurrent Integer and FP operations wich will give them a huge boost in traditional graphics as well. How much will be the real question here.

I'd expect total of around 15% on 2080 TI, mostly due to more shaders and improved scheduler.

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Post by Kurtz79 »

emodendroket wrote: post #272
jdietrich wrote: post #123

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>it is way too expensive for regular gamers The 80 series has always been a low-volume, high-margin halo product within Nvidia's gaming range. It's dirt cheap and high-volume compared to Quadro, but top-of-the-range for gaming. Cryptomania has revealed to Nvidia that they probably priced the 1080 too low at launch - many gamers were in fact willing to pay substantially inflated prices for The Best GPU. If the mass ma…

The 70 series is traditionally pretty popular for gamers though. At $600, though, I mean... that's at the point where just the graphics card is more than one of the 4K consoles Microsoft or Sony is putting out. Obviously a PC game is going to look nicer, but someone has to start thinking about that comparison.

"someone has to START thinking about that comparison."

Sorry, but this comment is really kind of hilarious.

The "PC vs. Console" debate is something that almost predates the Internet and it has generated countless forum wars...

A high range PC has always been the more powerful and expensive gaming machine, since basically the first 3DFX cards in the late 90s, some people are OK with that, other prefer consoles as a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by lagadu »

gambiting wrote: post #306
jackpeterfletch wrote: post #181

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> it is way too expensive for regular gamers Gamers arent kids anymore. Amongst my friends that game, most are nearly 30 working excellent jobs in software.

I work in software, and I definitely can't spend that much on a GPU, a normal 2080 is more than my monthly rent. The prices are nuts.

They're really not. Compared to many other popular hobbies gaming's yearly cost is really low. Things like audio, photography, cars, warhammer, travelling, winter sports each will have yearly costs that make gaming seem cheap as hell.
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