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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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antouank wrote: post #327
acomjean wrote: post #9

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I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

I'm about to get a new laptop. I had an MBP for 4 years now. I just ordered the Razer Blade 15. DELL's XPS 15 is also a very good choice, although the blade has a bit more recent hardware. Both are upgradable. You can add RAM or SSD if you want. Both run linux just fine.

They both have loud fans, along with every other pc laptop in that league it seems. MacBooks are virtually quiet most of the time.

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Post by mamon »

dredmorbius wrote: post #313
papaf wrote: post #279

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I switched from Windows to Linux on my work Dell and battery life is the same. I go to standby on lid closed and shutdown at the end of the day. Bootup to login takes 20 seconds so I don't bother with hibernate.

The issue for me is that hibernate saves user state (desktop, apps, edit state), reboot doesn't. I expect a desktop session to live months. IOW: Your solution may not suite all.

Clearing user state is one of the reasons I prefer reboots - it helps keep my desktop clean and tidy. I cannot imagine the mess that would arise if my session lived months. I use shutdown as a shortcut for "close all application I don't use right now"

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Post by cheald »

yonkshi wrote: post #264
dleslie wrote: post #252

I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

How’s the Linux battery management for laptops? This and driver compatibility are usually my biggest concern. I remember 2/3 windows laptops I used were having trouble sleeping/waking up when lids were shut

Linux 4.17 is apparently a big leap forward for laptop power management. I run it on a desktop, so I can't speak to it directly, but I've heard a number of folks singing its praises.

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Post by cturner »

ngngngng wrote: post #67
acomjean wrote: post #9

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I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

Only thing I'm considering is a thinkpad x1 carbon. But the last time I tried putting linux on a laptop I had a few issues submitted to the linux kernel and still didn't have the laptop working perfectly (Asus zenbook) within a week I returned it and bought a MacBook pro. Might be time for another go.

I recommend the X1C. I had a first-edition. It was wonderful, and lasted me for five years. Last year I upgraded to X1C5. It is far lighter still, the keyboard is good, it is just a joy to interact with. (debian stable)

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Post by nkkollaw »

Personally, my MBP's keyboard failing and Apple Store saying it wasn't a known problem made me switch to Lenovo (after 5 years with Apple).

I bought a 5kg-laptop that I bought with HDD and 8GB RAM and I upgraded myself to 24GB RAM and SSD alongside the HDD. It has Philips screws.

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Post by lightedman »

yonkshi wrote: post #264
dleslie wrote: post #252

I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

How’s the Linux battery management for laptops? This and driver compatibility are usually my biggest concern. I remember 2/3 windows laptops I used were having trouble sleeping/waking up when lids were shut

Not sure in my case since my laptop is a desktop replacement and thus stays plugged in 24/7.

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Post by che_shirecat »

jkells wrote: post #81
yawn_010101 wrote: post #47

Having interfaced with Apple in a different way (apart from owning a new MBP and an iPhone X) I'd say the issue is, and continues to be, growing pains. They're certainly losing the lead in software engineer talent (giving it away to whom, I'm not sure). But the single most horrible experience I've had with Apple in the last year was trying to get software published on the App Store. That's a department that's so larg…

Interested to know why the gender of the manager matters?

Most charitable explanation is that OP is just adding some color to their characterizations. Least charitable explanation is that subconciously or not OP perceives young "females" in positions of authority as being unfit for their positions and likes to add plausibly deniable fuel to that flame.

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Post by ychombinator »

Have three of these Macs, apart from the occasional stuck key which releases when you tap the back of the Mac they've been solid.

I couldn't go back to a normal keyboard on a laptop now, the reduced range of travel on the butterfly keyboards takes a while to get used to but it's amazing once you're used to it you just don't want to mash keys through more than 1 mm of travel to type a letter anymore

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Post by sakarisson »

sschueller wrote: post #304
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #145

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Windows is so terrible, though. I could never go back.

For me OSX is a nightmare for usability. Just the window management alone can drive you insane. I am not a person who has one just application open at a time.

I agree with you. However, with Spectacle I am able to have a really nice workflow with my window management.

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Post by duiker101 »

ruytlm wrote: post #292
deathanatos wrote: post #170

> [Apple quietly announced][1] that they were extending the warranty on their flagship laptop’s keyboard by four years. No, they didn't. If you read the very source the article cites for this, you find, > The program covers eligible MacBook and MacBook Pro models for 4 years after the first retail sale of the unit. The original warranty was 1 year[2]; this is a three year extension. "Extending by 4 years" is just too…

Worth noting that in some jurisdictions (e.g. Australia), consumer protection law extends beyond manufacturer warranties by establishing consumer guarantees, e.g. a guarantee that products will be of acceptable quality, and that they will be reasonably fit for any disclosed or represented purpose.[0] This often extends beyond the period of the express manufacturer warranty. On a semi-related note, Apple has recently…

Doesn't Apple often snob this laws? Have they changed their behaviour? If I remember correctly, in EU, up to just one or two years ago they were refusing to service products under warranty older than one year if you didn't have Apple Care even though the law mandates a 2 year warranty period.
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