Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

Post by swearwolves » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 8:47 PM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #12

tjwds wrote: post #2

This comment from OP (beastpilot) is pretty frightening: > Yep, works for 6 months with zero issues. Then one Friday night you get an update. Everything works that weekend, and on your way to work on Monday. Then, 18 minutes into your commute home, it drives straight at a barrier at 60 MPH. > It's important to remember that it's not like you got the update 5 minutes before this happened. Even worse, you may not know…

> Very glad the driver had 100% of their attention on the road at that moment. Yes, and 100% is critical. That required pretty quick and smooth reactions. The car started to follow the right-hand lane, then suddenly re-centered on the barrier. The driver had about a second to see that and correct. That's just the sort of situation where even a slightly inattentive driver might panic and overcorrect, which could cause…

Post by w_t_payne » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 8:49 PM UTC

Post by lsaferite » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 8:55 PM UTC

niftich wrote: post #207

paulie_a wrote: post #86

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Personally I hate cruise control. I prefer to be actively engaged when driving. Either I am driving 100% or I am not at all, there is absolutely no middle ground in my opinion

Cruise control is great where there's long stretches of open road, light traffic (LOS A or B [1]), and little need for frequent braking. The star usecase is to set cruise to be very near the speed limit, such that after acceleration events like overtaking, you coast back to highway speed. It's a low-effort way of ensuring that one will be compliant with speed laws most of the time, yet maintaining a steady pace. I to…

Post by volkl48 » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 9:03 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #167

rayiner wrote: post #144

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When I think of self-driving car technology, I think of all of these inputs (maps, cameras, GPS, etc.) being fed into a world model from which inferences are drawn.[1] Here, the car could have known from cameras and maps that there was a lane split, and should have been able to detect that the line following was giving a conflicting inference compared to those other sources. The question is: does Tesla actually do th…

The whole problem seems to me that to get a 90% solution for a self driving vehicle is now no longer hard. The remaining 10% is super hard and the degree to which the present day solutions tend to get these wrong is worrisome enough that if the quality doesn't jump up very quickly the whole self driving car thing could end up in an AI winter all of its own making. And that would be a real loss. This is not a field wh…

Post by jacquesm » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 9:06 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #321

jacquesm wrote: post #161

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Yes, they do that, and they rarely get that wrong. Also, the better ones have inertial backup & flux gate for when GPS is unavailable. Inertial backup could also help to detect the signatures of lane changes and turns.

Try driving near a place with a lot of roads that are close together, like an airport. You’ll quickly see that snapping doesn’t really work, especially if you deviate from the route the GPS is trying to take you on.