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Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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At the same time, the point of college for most kids is to prepare them for a white collar job. If there's a huge client meeting at 10am and there's still 3 hours of preparation to do before they arrive, no one's going to be very sympathetic to the excuse that you have "social jet lag." Expecting college adults to get out of bed before 10 is hardly a substantial burden.

The real question here is, why do Americans still start working so early? I mean, that's so XX century. I come to office at noon at all four of jobs that I have/had.

Come to think of it, maybe it's weather-dependent.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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hm, that's very debatable. alot would contend history and science are core but others aren't. I've heard many complain that they never use math in the real world. I think math is core but the problem is its very opinion based. I don't see how other subjects don't build on each other.

If you sleep through European history, you can still learn American history. If you sleep through biology, you can still learn chemistry. If you sleep through algebra, you can't do calculus, period.

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Wow, our society loves to blame our problems on other people and "the system".

"Social jetlag correlates to GPA". Hmm, maybe the students who prioritized school and didn't go out drinking every night ended up doing better.

You don't "deserve" good grades just because you're smart. Work hard for it. Get up early. Go to bed. Prioritize. Give something up. That's how life works.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Yea, that's the "compatibility mode" I'm running on: strictly going to bed at 11pm. I sadly really miss the nights and have to force myself to do this daily. Here in europe daylight saving time just ended, now I have go to bed an hour earlier from one day to another. It took me out for 4 days (really bad performance) and the first 2 days I stayed awake in bed so long I became more awake again before managing to fall…

I go to bed between 8-9pm, rarely as late as 10pm. Going to bed means I'm reading a book (physical, not digital) and winding myself down from the day. I find exercising during the day helps immeasurably when trying to go to sleep at a reasonable hour (based on your own schedule). Also limiting caffeine after lunch. To people that say it's impossible, maybe it is. I did have a late schedule for a few years in college…

Even doing sport or just taking a shower: I prefer both late in the day.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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As a college student that doesn't get to pick what times he can take classes, let alone pick any of them myself. I am dumbfounded by the amount of people who think that an 8AM class is out of the ordinary. I've got 4 out of 5 days where I have classes at 8:15AM.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I like how it shows that getting up early ruins the whole day. I have to come an hour early for a meeting every other week and it's always a challenging day... Getting up ~9am is the point at which it doesn't effect my performance anymore (I'd still prefer shifting my sleep phase even further). Sadly this only worked for a job once in my career.

Go to bed earlier. I get up early and have since High School. All I do is make sure I go to bed at a reasonable hour. Going to work, lunch, home early is friggin awesome. Avoiding rush hour, saving me roughly 1 hour a day in traffic, is fantastic. Plus it gives me time to do any personal things in the early afternoon without affecting my work schedule.

What actually worked for me, but I can't do it with my current job: bi-phasic sleep.

I did this while in school, I slept 2am-7am and 4-6:30pm. Pro: you learn to fall in to deep sleep very quickly and I would often have lucid dreams and you can get away with slightly less sleep. Con: if anything gets in the way of the afternoon sleep phase it feels like missing half a nights sleep...

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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At the root of it, they define "core" as Math and English with the goal to centralize those two in the middle of the day as much as possible. Physical Education, Art, Spanish, Music, History, Science, etc are scheduled around those accordingly. The main reasoning is simply that math and English are the two subjects that build upon each other the most from grade level to grade level and because of that, they are consi…

hm, that's very debatable. alot would contend history and science are core but others aren't. I've heard many complain that they never use math in the real world. I think math is core but the problem is its very opinion based. I don't see how other subjects don't build on each other.

I suspect it depends on the age of the students. In grade school when kids are learning to read and do addition, it's hard to imagine anything more core than that and science/history taught at that age is more about getting kids exposed to those concepts rather than actual learning. But once kids get to secondary school and English transitions to British Lit, American Lit and other variations on "read books and write an essays", the actual class time seems much less important than science classes where high school students actually learn the core tenets of Bio, Chem and Physics.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I used to have lots of problems getting up early and always championed later times. Growing up through my twenties, it was great seeing finally seeing more and more evidence for a later school start and I was hopeful for future teens. But it wasn't until my first kid that I finally understood that school doesn't start this early because it's good for the learning experience. It starts this early so parents can get th…

Capitalism is indoctrinated as early as possible, rest assured.
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