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Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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So he cried and pleaded for leniency after being openly a jackass the entire time.

I have a child who is not innately good at the social thing. When he was 8, he spent weeks torturing me for giggles because he knew I was not an abusive parent, so he felt like he could get away with it. That stopped when I told him "The point at which you are going to care about my feelings is when you want something from me and my answer is Fuck You."

Apparently, Martin's mom should have had a similar conversation with him at some point. Cuz now it hurts and he thinks we supposed to care about his feefees when he never cared about anyone but him.

Turn about's fair play. Think on that while rotting in your cell.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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So called price-gouging is more of an inaction (failing to sell you the product you want at your preferred price) than an action.

In many of the cases people think of when referring to price gouging in pharmaceuticals (such as Mylan with the EpiPen, Turing and Daraprim, or Valeant and a whole host of products) it was a positive action on behalf of the company, raising the prices by multiples. Regardless of one's feelings of whether this is legal, moral, or otherwise, calling price-gouging in these cases "more of an inaction" is a misrepresentat…

> positive action

The relevant inquiry isn't "positive action" versus "inaction" but causation. The bystander doesn't cause you to get mugged; he simply declines to prevent it. Likewise, raising the price on Daraprim doesn't cause you to get toxoplasmosis, it simply changes the terms on which the third party is willing to prevent the harm.

So the proper analogy is standing by while someone gets mugged, charging him $10 to stop the mugging, and charging him $1,000 to stop the mugging. The guy who does nothing is still the worst.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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> That's basically what this comes down to. The judge didn't create the law regarding securities fraud, nor did she instigate the charges of fraud, nor did she even have a voice when it came to deciding to convict (it was a jury trial). So how does this all boil down to a judge's feelings being hurt? All crimes will be inconsistently enforced until we've built a policing apparatus that operates like the equivalent of…

> So how does this all boil down to a judge's feelings being hurt? The way I read the parent is that this conviction would almost certainly not merit seven years in a typical non-Shkreli case. But the judge handed down seven years, not because of his crime, but because of his attitude . The OP even suggested as much, suggesting if he had just "kissed the ring", the sentence would have been substantially less. I read…

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Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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He was so obnoxious that I guess it is easy to be happy about that, but he was so small time in the grand scheme of things. But nearly no bankers responsible for the 2008 financial crisis ever went to jail: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/how-wal...

> But nearly no bankers responsible for the 2008 financial crisis ever went to jail That is a myth. Dozens of bankers were arrested and put in prison over crimes related to the 2008 financial crisis. That includes a number of bankers at large enterprises. It excludes the very top tier bankers, at the systemically important financial firms, who all managed to skate. It's not illegal, generally speaking, to make dumb i…

Yes, some small-time traders were put away. The odd CEO or CFO of a bank that's decidedly not TBTF. The poor shmuck who gambled outside his capital allowances with house money.

But if you are Jon Corzine - well, you can abscond with $1.2B of your customers' money, tell Congress you just don't know where it went, and then pay $5MM to avoid an embarrassing and inconvenient trial, all the while throwing that sucker Edie O'Brien under the bus for being dumb enough to miss that "getaway" at the Hamptons last year. (yes, this was a bit later than the 2008 blowup, but the cause and effect were the same)

Or you can be Lloyd Blankfein, who testified to knowing full well that their MBS desk was shorting the very products they were selling to their clients with sales pitches containing materially false claims. But Lloyd is a great guy, and he's had a rough go if it what with losing his hair and all. So we're not even going to prosecute, er, actually, we won't even bother to investigate the captain of who was privvy to the fraud on his ship, but didn't technically commit the fraud himself. So we'll go after that dumb trader Fabrice Tourre instead. $800k is a pretty stiff fine for someone who earns double that in a year. I'm sure he'll learn his lesson.

Or you could be Dick Fuld....

Perhaps you see a pattern here?

In the 1980s, when regulators and prosecutors didn't regularly get together for drinks with each other at Valentino, over ONE THOUSAND bankers were convicted, with roughly a third going to prison, with an average sentence of 3.2 years for the crimes. Not only including, but ESPECIALLY the captains of the ships.

And they went after EVERYTHING - even violations of campaign contributions laws unrelated to the S&L crisis itself.

Fast-forward to today. For a crisis arguably MORE fraught with fraud, with substantially worse fallout for the country: 59 convictions. Most were traders, in security sales, or ran tiny local banks. ZERO of them were Wall Street C-suite, directors, vice presidents, or anyone else who signed off on the fraud at a higher-than-upper-management level.

In most cases, regulators and prosecutors are hesitant to even INVESTIGATE.

This is to say nothing of the fact that nearly all large Wall Street banks are regarded by Federal regulators as recidivist banks, meaning that they keep breaking the law, getting fined less than the profits made from the crime, and doing it again. And again. And again.

Nobody at HSBC went to prison for facilitating the murder of thousands of Mexicans by cartels. And nobody ever will. There are plenty of statutes on the books to criminally prosecute the bankers responsible. But we won't. Because some people are more equal than others.

These constant apologetics for the parasites are, frankly, sickening.

Same with the constant apologetics for arbitrary enforcement of law. What exactly is the point of having laws if the existential importance of the criminal to a bank is a critical deciding factor in whether or not to investigate, charge, prosecute, or convict?

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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The SEC, DOJ, et al also have limited amounts of resources. They just can't go after everyone.

The fact that they can't go after everyone doesn't mean that they should punish Shkreli extra hard for what amounts to being a jerk.

It's pretty common for defendants who show remorse to get lighter sentences, no?

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many of the cases people think of when referring to price gouging in pharmaceuticals (such as Mylan with the EpiPen, Turing and Daraprim, or Valeant and a whole host of products) it was a positive action on behalf of the company, raising the prices by multiples. Regardless of one's feelings of whether this is legal, moral, or otherwise, calling price-gouging in these cases "more of an inaction" is a misrepresentat…

> positive action The relevant inquiry isn't "positive action" versus "inaction" but causation. The bystander doesn't cause you to get mugged; he simply declines to prevent it. Likewise, raising the price on Daraprim doesn't cause you to get toxoplasmosis, it simply changes the terms on which the third party is willing to prevent the harm. So the proper analogy is standing by while someone gets mugged, charging him $…

Agreed. I can see that my comment was a off-point. I tend to think of price gouging as the act of raising the prices, as opposed to selling at a price others may feel is unfair, and the latter rather than the former is what's being discussed here. Cheers.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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I don't think the outrage was ever about Shkreli not saving someone's life. It was about Shkreli making lots of money from people's suffering, after artificially inflating the price of a drug that he controlled. In other words, getting rich from increasing the amount of misery in this world.

AFAIK, only the insurance companies paid his exorbitant prices.

Some insurance companies put the expensive drugs into a "specialty" tier, which can be significantly more expensive for the patient.

It's the difference between a $10 co-pay for a generic drug, a $25 or $50 co-pay for a non-generic drug, and a 30-percent co-pay for a specialty drug.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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The majority of comments here being sad about Shkreli kinda reaffirms my views about HN, I have to say. Shkreli always seemed like a personified 4chan teenager "memelord" with money. Good to see that playing out your delusions of grandeur and arrogance toward the justice system is met with consequences. Maybe in prison he will mature a bit.

He already is quite mature. The media brought him to the stage and he gave a little show. You should see one of his videos shutting down people like you who read 3 or 4 articles and formed an opinion based on that.

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Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Making it harder for patients to get treatment definitely increases the amount of misery in the world. You don't have to be the toxoplasma gondii parasite to make life miserable for a lot of people. It's enough if you're the other kind of parasite who makes the treatment orders of magnitude more expensive, just for personal gain. > fallacy ROTFL - this is like talking about cherries with someone who can's see the col…

It's amazing to watch the amount of mental contortions you're going through. I guess it's very important for you to maintain the consistency of your current worldview, and seeing the likes of Shkreli in a negative light is an integral part of that. Ayn Rand would be proud.

You've been breaking the guidelines a whole lot by posting uncivil and or substantive comments. This just isn't the kind of conversation we're after here, so please fix this.

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Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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> I'm not convinced it is a huge indictment of our society The indictment of our society is that hundreds of millionaires can enrich themselves further via dishonest and illegal means, wreck world economies, and suffer no consequences, while a regular joe can be chocked to death for selling cigarettes on the street (disruptive!) This isn't an impossible problem to fix. We just start voting for politicians willing to…

you sound a bit mental tbh

This kind of thing is a bannable offense on Hacker News, so could you please comment civilly and substantively instead?

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