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Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by KajMagnus »

jimnotgym wrote: post #6
ArchReaper wrote: post #2

Why should anyone care? I don't see anything technically novel or interesting in this. Edit: I'm not disparaging this, I'm asking a question...

I am happy to see an alternative to Facebook comments. > Talk doesn’t contain any tracking, or digital surveillance. > Talk is small — about 300kb — and lightweight Both are an improvement over FB IMHO

Here's another open-source & ad-free & track-free alternative, 150 kb lightweight, + some unique features & look.

https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (I'm developing it, ... submitted yesterday, no one noticed)

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by KajMagnus »

gog wrote: post #101
jimnotgym wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that compared with Facebook SDK this project is tiny

I understand your point, I just hijacked your comment to voice my frustration about current trends. I tried checking the actual size of the JS being loaded, but since the site for an article I opened made over 500 requests to load the page after I turned off add blockers I gave up. In their case, 300kB _is_ tiny.

Here's one that is of size half-tiny then :- ) another open source embedded commenting system, with different features & look, & 150 kb JS:

https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments.

I'm developing this. Still, even just 150 kb is actually a bit slow, on slow 3G connections.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by KajMagnus »

abiox wrote: post #221
StevePerkins wrote: post #103

I started by reading the comments section here on HN. Couldn't find any solid information about what this Mozilla thing actually is. So I broke down, and clicked the link to actually read the source article. Still couldn't find any meaningful information about the thing. At this point I considered this a personal challenge. So I clicked the link at the bottom of the article, to ITS original source ( http://coralproje…

can't tell if this is serious or not.

Some people here at HN might be young people who are just getting interested in tech and internet stuff. The one you replied to might be a super bright young person, who just doesn't recognize all company names, just yet. ... Hmm, but when s/he says "this is year 2017" then it seems to me as if s/he has been around for a while, and likely would haven seen "Mozilla" before. :- )

B.t.w., Steve (the grandparent poster): Mozilla makes a super famous browser named Firefox. That's maybe the main reason "everyone" knows who they are.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by KajMagnus »

kyle-rb wrote: post #319
jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

>I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing) Really? I hate the tree style of comments. It's all well and good when you're reading a chain of replies, but then you run into a comment that's halfway back up the tree and have to make several attempts at collapsing comments to figure out which one is the sibling. I much prefer…

What do you mean with "halfway back up the tree"? You mean you read a comment C5, and then there are lots of replies to C5: C5-A1, C5-A2, C5-A3, ... but you want to find C5's sibling, C6?

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by KajMagnus »

jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

Since you like Reddit style comments, maybe you'd like this online commenting system too: https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (click ^ to collapse)

(I'm developing it.) It's inspired by Reddit & HN, and has some additional features that makes it simpler to navigate large discussions, e.g. instantly jumping to the parent post (if it's far away) to refresh one's mind, and then jumping back. I made a video: (scroll down to "Jumping to the parent post, and back") https://www.effectivediscussions.org/-32/how-hacker-news-can... (everything not ported to embedded-iframes yet, though.)

Maybe Reddit aren't advertising their embedded comments, so no one knows about it? A while ago I searched for embedded comments alternatives, and I found some abandoned projects (that had gotten super many upvotes here at HN), + Isso, + Disqus, + Talk, but cannot remember having found anything about Reddit. I wonder why they build it, but then won't focus on marketing it. Maybe they haven't thought about any way to make money from their embedded comments, yet. Hmm.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by ukyrgf »

bmm6o wrote: post #158
jedberg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that feels like a marketing fail. You don't have to accepts reddit's culture to embed it's comments. You can have a subreddit that you control where you can moderate it and remove any content you don't like. As a site owner, you can have full control over the content if you want.

> You can have a subreddit that you control where you can moderate it and remove any content you don't like. Are the moderation tools up to it? I've always thought they had the reputation of being underpowered. Or is that just another marketing fail?

They filter out quite a bit by default, and you have to choose to turn it off. What many subreddit mods do is have a bot that auto-approves stuff based on more specific criteria. That gives a lot of room to blame the forces that be when things get hinky.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by always_good »

jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

> I just don't understand why more sites don't embed the reddit comments.

1. You can't leave comments after an amount of time has passed on Reddit. On even my blog, conversation will spark up 1+ years later. Why would a website want to inherit that limitation?

2. Users have to have a Reddit account. Some of the best conversations in my comments section are anonymous.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by winry »

petepete wrote: post #269
jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

I have been a Reddit user for more than ten years, and am a software developer, and this is the first time I've heard of embedding Reddit comments.

There's an extension that replace all Youtube comments with their respective reddit thread if available and it's great.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by unescape »

TwelveNights wrote: post #325
unescape wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that their goal is to help sites move away from 3rd-party comment management services such as Facebook and Disqus. Based on this discussion, I think federated (not site-owned) comments are the way to go long-term. Maybe Talk can eventually be adapted to help with decentralized comment moderation.

The thing about federated comment feeds is that these news outlets will not be incentivized to embed them directly to their website, as they lose control of the content. This problem will damage the exposure that a federated system would receive.

Better than having news outlets embed them, is having browsers support mixing federated comments with the original content. How about it, Mozilla, Brave, and Chromium? Afraid to bite the hand that feeds you?
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