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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by compuguy »

epicide wrote: post #168
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

And before Slack there was Skype, Lync/Office Communicator, IRC, AIM, XMPP, Hangouts, and email. It's not like having a lot of chat platforms is a new thing. > I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. As soon as somebody figured out they could use something other than email lists to send messages to people in a business setting. If people get mad at you for not being available, then it has nothing to do w…

Add Sametime to that list, ugh.

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Post by mgkimsal »

Gibheer wrote: post #295
mgkimsal wrote: post #206

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A wiki that allows referencing to a ticketing system - the way you can tie confluence docs to jira - is, imo, one of the unique tie-ins I've not seen replicated in any other system. Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s). I've wondered if they've got some patent on…

It does work in redmine[1] and that for years and the same as in github and Jira, using the #XXXX notation. [1]: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineTextForm...

That does not let me create something from the wiki, only reference issues that already exist.

EDIT:

Specifically, allowing people who are primarily text driven to be reading a doc/wiki page, right click a sentence or phrase, then create an issue right from that screen, without leaving, and have them linked back and forth, is... seemingly obvious, yet I've not seen it done elsewhere. Someone else pointed out gitlab - I've not tried it there yet.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

erikb wrote: post #257
quickthrower2 wrote: post #118

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You are correct but so often we are measured on individual productivity. And you get what you measure. So team members will want to work distraction-free to max their KPIs. Your insights good, it needs to be needed by managers and staff that the team is working as a team.

I haven't experienced that at all. Okay, yes. When you ask your boss what he measures you about, he'll give you performance data. Tasks closed, commits sent, LOCs produced, etc. But what he really measures are top features you produced. And that happens rarely. I think for a really talented guy it's 0.5-1 top success per year. And these don't need to be measured, they are team memory. Ask your team who is most talent…

YMMV as they say

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Post by vacri »

compuguy wrote: post #309
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #280

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Not to beat a dead horse about it, but Atlassian made improvements to the Kanban functionality, especially regarding the backlog (a backlog manager), and didn't make it available to our on-premise locally-installed stuff. Additionally, they jacked up the prices on the Service Desk software users and changed who can do what at what prices. All in all, I wouldn't choose Atlassian for any new installations/companies. I…

Ouch (and self-hosted atlassian products were pricy to begin with). Are there any good alternatives to Jira and Confluence out there (that are self-hosted/on-prem)?

I'm of the opinion that there are no good ticketing systems. I've seen a fair few of them (but haven't looked in the last year or two) and I realised that the problem is this: the amount of information you need to store to make a ticketing system really useful is more than people are comfortable putting in. Lightweight ticketing systems are great for small things, but suck for serious work. Heavyweight ticketing systems are a grind to use. Assigning metadata is tedious, remembering workflows is tedious, but if you want more power, you have to do those tasks, regardless of the particular software in use.

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Post by vacri »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #283
new299 wrote: post #174

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What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

Confluence is pretty good. It's better than MediaWiki, the Wikis built into GitLab (or GitHub if that's your thing), etc. I dislike that it doesn't support MarkDown as a native language, but it does have a solid WYSIWYG. I'd say Confluence is the best of their products and the one that I'd be most likely to use again in the future. I've also used their CI solution at another company and I found that one easier to use…

Confluence used to support a markup language, but they discontinued it for maintainability reasons, as they were also supporting WYSIWYG.

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Post by s73ver_ »

kuschku wrote: post #102
pavel_lishin wrote: post #94

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> a good client What IRC client provides: - inline image uploads - multiline messages - chat search, including messages sent while your client is offline - pretty code formatting - pretty text formatting - file uploads - user management I know that IRC accomplishes something like 95% of what a team needs to communicate, but Slack absolutely shines at that last 5%. We currently use Hipchat, and it supports a lot of wh…

IRCCloud, Quassel. All of that exists, and can be used.

Except I have no guarantee whatsoever that anyone else in the chat is using those.

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Post by s73ver_ »

kuschku wrote: post #233
pavel_lishin wrote: post #231

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> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

Except it's not going to be part of the standard, and there's no way that I can guarantee that the other people in the chat room are using the same thing.
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