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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by flukus »

bluGill wrote: post #158
zitterbewegung wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vertical integration has its advantages. Also, due to people buying new phones every 6 months those seem to be the two things that disincentivze Android phone makers to not do those things.

You can change that: don't buy a new phone every six months, and buy from a maker that supports your phone longer. Maybe you cannot get the latest, but when you support the companies that support their phones for more than a few months you support that business model which in turn ensures that someone who updates their phones exists. You might have to leave the major names behind, and might have to skip a few feature…

> and buy from a maker that supports your phone longer.

Who would those be? And who of those is not on the high end phablet side of the phone market?

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by rubyn00bie »

xorcist wrote: post #280
Karunamon wrote: post #23

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Supposedly the carriers are real pains as well. I've heard horror stories of months-long approvals processes on Verizon and AT&T ROMs. It's a game I wish they'd get out of entirely. There's no such thing as a useful carrier overlay.

Carriers are a red herring. The world at large couldn't care less about how the customers of AT&T can supposedly only install AT&T-approved firmware. Most people can, but they're not seeing any updates. Google needs to fix their upgrade story. Even if the North American customers continued to run old vulnerable versions forever, updating everyone else's systems would be a tremendous improvement. (It would also make i…

Do you have any facts to back this up?

Prior to the iPhone changing how phones were sold-- carriers meddled with everything so they could get their hands in media playback, app sales, feature upgrades etc. I don't think much has changed in this where anyone gives them an inch (which is nearly everyone but Apple).

Note: I worked for T-Mobile for four years prior and a little after the originals iphone came out.

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Post by aidenn0 »

kyle-rb wrote: post #304
rothbardrand wrote: post #288

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The reason is they simply cannot do it. It's very different shipping a high end phone in units of 100 million vs shipping a high end phone in units of 500,000. This is why most android high end devices are really tiny market share. They can't compete with Apple-- AT VOLUME. Apple's supply chain is where they are hugely competitive. This goes for Samsung etc. So on android, genuinely high end phones are prestige items…

The Nexus line are the phones that are manufactured by various other device makers. I think the Pixel is actually made directly by Google.

The Pixel is made by HTC.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by smnrchrds »

taeric wrote: post #198
sumeno wrote: post #188

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That's a pretty unreasonable desire. Technology changes so much in 10 years that it wouldn't be feasible to support a generation of phones for that long. 10 years ago was the original iPhone. How much of a money sink would it have been for Apple to support the original iPhone until now?

10 is almost certainly high. However, the rate of innovation does seem to have slowed down. To the point that all of my other devices from 5 years ago still act like new. My phone? Meh. What will really kill this is lack of user servicable batteries.

I agree. I am very happy with my Nexus 5 and I intend using it until the hardware gives up.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by delecti »

putlake wrote: post #110
izacus wrote: post #99

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Just like you have to buy an Apple phone to get Apple updates immediately, you need to buy a Google phone to get Google updates immediately. Pixel and Nexus rollout is starting nowish (and beta participants are already getting the OTAs). This is really not a secret at this time anymore and should be taken into account when you succumb to Samsung marketing. Everybody else will be probably 4-6 months late.

But Apple supports iPhones for 4-5 years. Google has said they will only support their flagship Nexus and Pixel phones for no more than 2 years. For a $700 device this is unacceptable.

It's 3 years from the device's release. You get the next two major OS updates (which occur at ~1 and ~2 years after release), and then another full year of security updates, up to but not including the third major OS version.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by flashman »

Asdfbla wrote: post #174

I know programming within the constraints of mobile devices isn't easy and I want to take nothing away from the release, but when you are still used to Desktop computing it's kind of funny to see how seemingly trivial nice to have features like picture-in-picture or notification dots get all hyped up in the press release.

> features like picture-in-picture

I wonder whether YouTube will let you use this without subscribing to Red.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by Waterluvian »

All I want is for my stupid phone to stop annoying me with new features I don't want. Google just now suggested with a notification that I should ask its voice thing a question and try it out.

Every time I think I've blocked every $_#&#- thing that annoys me, more show up. As of a week ago I now get these Throw notifications that cannot be dismissed or blocked.

I also despise apps that insist on being updated and disallow being uninstalled.

These itches are so bad now that I'm pretty disenchanted with Android altogether.

I want a no nonsense phone that literally does nothing out of the box except the app store and make phone calls.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by __abc »

izacus wrote: post #99
amrrs wrote: post #89

Has Google ever released a report on how much time it takes an average flagship device to get the latest android version? Even if you've paid $$$$ in getting Samsung Galaxy S8 just recently, you're not going to get Android O tomorrow morning. But that's definitely the case with iOS. That makes a huge difference in the world where Software updates play a huge role in performance and functionality than hardware update…

Just like you have to buy an Apple phone to get Apple updates immediately, you need to buy a Google phone to get Google updates immediately. Pixel and Nexus rollout is starting nowish (and beta participants are already getting the OTAs). This is really not a secret at this time anymore and should be taken into account when you succumb to Samsung marketing. Everybody else will be probably 4-6 months late.

I don't have to buy a new Apple Phone for immediate updates to the OS .... my 6, 6+, SE, and 7 will all be able to update on day one.

Am I missing something about your comment?

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by gregw134 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #338

All I want is for my stupid phone to stop annoying me with new features I don't want. Google just now suggested with a notification that I should ask its voice thing a question and try it out. Every time I think I've blocked every $_#&#- thing that annoys me, more show up. As of a week ago I now get these Throw notifications that cannot be dismissed or blocked. I also despise apps that insist on being updated and dis…

Give me a phone like you describe that also doesn't track you and I'm sold.
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