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6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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Silicon Valley is toxic until sexism, agism, racism, and homophobia are largely eliminated. Only then will it be a model for the world tech hubs to follow.

Out of curiosity (I've never been to Silicon Valley, let alone worked there), are other tech hubs, or even other industries, that much better?

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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I'm British, it's customary here to use 'girl' instead of 'woman'. It can be offensive to say 'woman' to a woman under the age of ~50.

this is a perfect example of why, in a globally connected world, this problem will never be solved: different cultures have different standards for appropriateness and harrasement: you are trying to not be offensive and so used the world "girl", and someone else is offended because you didn't use the word "woman."

How about we all stop looking for reasons to be offended all the time and presume innocence and good faith until we actually do get a clearly expressed intent or do feel genuinely uncomfortable (as opposed to slightly annoyed)? I'm sure a lot of these situations can be explained by cultural differences or even language barriers such as in this case. English is the de-facto language of the tech scene, but that doesn't mean that everyone who joins in a discussion can be expected to master all the nuances of the language. It seems to be hard enough for Brits and Americans, just imagine how it is for us whose native language isn't English at all.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the harassment case here, I'm talking about the "call them women" comment.

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #255

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I mean, there's a line. If he hadn't crossed it yet, then he hadn't done anything that needed or deserved to be fired for. That's why the line is there. I have to wonder if the woman in question made it clear she didn't appreciate the attention? It could've just been an idiot who took her silence as implicit approval, playing coy, etc, causing him to escalate to naked pictures. And I'm not saying it's her fault, but…

So you're saying idiots can't sexually harass people. Is that your excuse?

I think he's trying to distinguish between someone with poor ability to pick up on social cues (from someone with poor ability to communicate their wishes/feelings) and a sexual predator. That seems like a reasonable distinction to make, though both can have the same moral fault and/or commit the same crime; motivation is important when we look towards someone's character.

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #268

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that's still not sexual harassment, there are plenty of stories of men chasing women and eventually marrying them. human sexuality isn't that cut and dried.

Not taking no for an answer is sexual harassment, if it makes the person on the receiving end uncomfortable.

I'm very happy my fiancée didn't take ’no’ to be my definitive answer. You really can't reduce these things to binary operations.

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #217

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> I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. > It is outrageous and unethical for any person to leverage a position of power in exchange for sexual gain, it is clear to me now that that is exactly what I've done. Those read to me like admissions of guilt. I'd expect lawyers to strongly advise against writing such things.

Is he admitting to anything that's against the law as opposed to unethical?

IANL but insofar as sexual harassment exists within the context of a company with employees, my understanding is that his behaviour, while deeply immoral, is not illegal — he has admitted to being wrong, not to having done something illegal.

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #192

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Honest question: can you tell me what phrases in particular you read this way? I read almost everything exactly the opposite way - and I'm genuinely curious which sentences can be interpreted so differently by different people.

"The past 24 hours have been the darkest of my life." - This is all about me, not the women. I've had a rough time and I want your sympathy. "I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week." - I'm probably a pathological predator but prefer to view my illness and/or poor character as a set of "mistakes" because that's easier on me than admitting I'm a piece of sh…

That's a very cynical (though not necessarily inaccurate) paraphrasal of his text. I am wondering: what kind of statement could he make, according to you, that is not amenable to such doubts?

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #283

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Yyes, he is asking exactly that.

"I am deeply sorry for using my position as an investor to take advantage of the female founders who came to me and my firm seeking only our help and support. What I did was cruel and wrong. The harm I've done to myself, my firm, my reputation, and my family does not compare to the harm I did these women. As a man, I will never truly understand what it feels like to be the victim of these transgressions. I can only s…

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Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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At the risk of sounding like I'm defending the guy (which I'm not), do we have a comprehensive definition of "Sexual Assault and Harassement" ? Because in some places (northern europe for example) these terms have very volatile definitions which allows pretty much anything to fall under the "rape" category. I totally understand that repeatedly violating somebody's physical safe space is a form a sexual assault (grabb…

In the USA, "sexual harassment" is generally defined as behavior or words of a sexual nature that make a person feel uncomfortable. Examples could range from an extreme of physical assault or offering a quid-pro-quo to keep ones job or get a promotion, all the way to telling lewd jokes or stories within earshot of a third party, or making comments or compliments about someone's dress or appearance (even telling a co-…

In Italy we comment and compliment (or criticise) each other's attire regularly. It's widely known (for example) that I abhor exposed feet and will therefore call out and/or criticize sandals, flip-flops, or peep-toe shoes. Female workers do this to make workers, male workers do this to female workers. We successfully share same-sex toilets if the need arises. The regimented gender-divided situation the US seems to subtend is utterly alien to me and seems to be far more awkward than you realize.

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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post #283

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Yyes, he is asking exactly that.

"I am deeply sorry for using my position as an investor to take advantage of the female founders who came to me and my firm seeking only our help and support. What I did was cruel and wrong. The harm I've done to myself, my firm, my reputation, and my family does not compare to the harm I did these women. As a man, I will never truly understand what it feels like to be the victim of these transgressions. I can only s…

>As a man, I will never truly understand what it feels like to be the victim of these transgressions. //

Do you think that's true? Like women/men can't harras men sexually?

Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment

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The apology is well crafted - Pulitzer Prize material but it doesn't seem connected to reality. Maybe it's even a little over the top; it's hard to believe that someone who could behave like this could experience such profound feelings of remorse. It sounds like he is sorry for being caught.
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