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Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by FabHK »

cmurf wrote: post #329
tylerjd wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially, the Captains word is law while on the plane. He is responsible for the safety of everyone on board. According to FAA FAR 91.3, a. The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. Additionally ICAO code states The pilot-in-command of an aircraft shall have final authority as to the disposition of the aircraft while in comman…

Nope. Not applicable at all, the aircraft was not in operation. I am a pilot (former CFII) and and there is no possible application of this FAR to this situation. It's not even a stretch.

I am not convinced that 91.3 and 91.11 CFR 14 are suspended once the airplane is stationary on the ground, could you elaborate?

ICAO defines an accident to be "An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked" and fulfilling various further criteria.

So, according to that definition the airplane was "in operation", insofar as people had boarded it to fly.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by FabHK »

cmurf wrote: post #329
tylerjd wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially, the Captains word is law while on the plane. He is responsible for the safety of everyone on board. According to FAA FAR 91.3, a. The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. Additionally ICAO code states The pilot-in-command of an aircraft shall have final authority as to the disposition of the aircraft while in comman…

Nope. Not applicable at all, the aircraft was not in operation. I am a pilot (former CFII) and and there is no possible application of this FAR to this situation. It's not even a stretch.

Sorry, by "this situation", do you mean the United incident, or the hypothetical example of farting at 42,000 feet that the GP brought up?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by JCharante »

daveguy wrote: post #242
maxerickson wrote: post #167

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Sure I agree it is just a claim. But they overbook most flights, so it isn't really hard to believe. They could have paid some other passengers already to not board, prior to deciding that they wanted to fly the crew and needing to pull more passengers. That leaves the overbooking claim as misdirection, which isn't any better than a lie that they were overbooked, but it's a different situation. (sorry about the edit…

If it was overbooked those excess passengers weren't on the plane. United wanted to fly 4 of their own employees (who showed up after everyone was boarded and seated) and "asked" for 4 seats from boarded paying customers. Without the employee passengers they were not overbooked or any overbooked passengers were not on the plane and we're irrelevant to the situation. I have flown plenty of times with other airlines wh…

In the instance of the kids, the kids that were refused an erection were not following the dress code.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by deletia »

Interesting sidenote:

Last Thursday, after Trump illegally bombed Syria, #HandsOffSyria was becoming reasonably popular on Twitter. I remember making a few offhand tweets with the hashtag and the app on my phone suggesting it.

Last Saturday, I happened to be photographing the #HandsOffSyria protest which was going on in Toronto. I made a tweet about it and noticed that, oddly enough, the Twitter app was no longer suggesting the tag.

Seems to be working again now fwiw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Perhaps the (presumed human) moderators at hasty (or unpopular) decision makers?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by corey_moncure »

iamnothere wrote: post #252
corey_moncure wrote: post #191

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I was in the same camp until I personally witnessed administrative-level collusion to block certain topics on Reddit. I observed the entire event, from the initial breaking story, to its meteoric amplification, and finally to the censorship and aftermath. I didn't believe it was possible, or that such things were happening, until I saw it happen for myself. Since then, I have seen it happen many times on various plat…

I don't see why this comment was killed. The comment does seem to be relevant to the broader discussion, and it isn't aggressive or hostile in tone. I don't fully agree with all parts of it, but it should be allowed to stand in the conversation.

Rule number one of Censorship Club.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by cmurf »

FabHK wrote: post #331
cmurf wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Not applicable at all, the aircraft was not in operation. I am a pilot (former CFII) and and there is no possible application of this FAR to this situation. It's not even a stretch.

I am not convinced that 91.3 and 91.11 CFR 14 are suspended once the airplane is stationary on the ground, could you elaborate? ICAO defines an accident to be "An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked" and fulfilling various further criteria. So, accordi…

Neither FAR applies when you're fully in compliance with safety instructions and regulations, but not complying with non-safety requests ostensibly based strictly on the contract of carriage. FAR 91.3(a) does not give the pilot the power to command you to drop trou and kiss your own ass, or else he'll throw you off the plane. That's not the intent behind that regulation, at all. It's a safety regulation, to give the PIC wide latitude for safety related operation of the plane, and not be countermanded by his company, or the airplane owner, or any passenger, or in particular air traffic control. The primary purpose of 91.3(a) is to permit the pilot to disregard/refuse an ATC clearance the pilot thinks is unsafe.

Both FAR can certainly apply to stationary "operation" i.e. immediately prior to pushback, requiring you to be seated with a seatbelt on; or stopped on a taxiway, if you do not comply with a crew member to sit down you can correctly be seen to be interfering with a crewmember as you're an obstruction. And if you are interfering, that is a violation of United's rule 21 of the contract of carriage, and in that case they can have you removed from the plane.

Anyway, there is no FAR applicable to this passenger's behavior. He's also not in breach of the contract of carriage. The airline f'd up. And the cops did too.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by alexandercrohde »

ansible wrote: post #305
alexandercrohde wrote: post #275

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I don't think this should be assumed to be true, but I also don't think it should be rejected out of hand. The correct answer is often the middle-ground: ask twitter for a clarification about what happened to the tweets in question, the trending tag, and what its larger policy is.

Given how widespread the incident has become, it doesn't seem sensible for Twitter to start deleting a few "random" tweets. I suppose it is possible that some faction inside Twitter is doing this, but it isn't official policy, and as such they aren't able to delete everything critical of United. I, however, find it more likely that this is just a technical issue. As when an "eventually consistent" distributed databas…

Why speculate when you can ask?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by kobayashi »

5ilv3r wrote: post #268
kobayashi wrote: post #220

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>(Of course, the real terrorists are the bankers and financiers) You lost me at this point. That's hateful populist rhetoric.

He's saying they are more likely to hurt you.

That's not the definition of a terrorist
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