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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by yokohummer7 »

bobochan wrote: post #309
unoti wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What language are you wanting to program in that is awful on Windows? And regarding your other points, Windows scripting story has come a long way in the last few years. Your concerns sound like they come from many years ago and that maybe you haven't taken a look lately.

What baffles me is that it is 2017 and Windows comes with less than it did decades ago. At least prior to Win2000 there was QBasic and edit.com, but now starting to work on a Windows machine means downloading and installing basic tools. Need to SSH/SFTP? Download. Need to edit code? Download. Python? Download. Perl? Download. A reasonable terminal? Download. Yes, I might have to go to the Mac App Store and get comman…

Windows does have a C# compiler by default. It is located in the `Windows\Microsoft.NET` folder. Not very discoverable, though.

And starting with Windows 10 a metro app called 'Code Writer' seems to be installed by default for coding. (At least it's there in my installation.) I didn't try it though.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by maccard »

bobochan wrote: post #309
unoti wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What language are you wanting to program in that is awful on Windows? And regarding your other points, Windows scripting story has come a long way in the last few years. Your concerns sound like they come from many years ago and that maybe you haven't taken a look lately.

What baffles me is that it is 2017 and Windows comes with less than it did decades ago. At least prior to Win2000 there was QBasic and edit.com, but now starting to work on a Windows machine means downloading and installing basic tools. Need to SSH/SFTP? Download. Need to edit code? Download. Python? Download. Perl? Download. A reasonable terminal? Download. Yes, I might have to go to the Mac App Store and get comman…

> but someone please explain why having an absolutely fundamental ability to edit text and securely connect to work and transfer data to/from remote machines is something that any OS should be shipping without?

The ability to edit text _does_ ship on windows - notepad. (not that I'd recommend it but it does exist). Also, OSX doesn't ship with anything better.

FTP isn't a fundamental requirement for everyone, I don't have an FTP client installed on my machine, and don't have any intention of installing one.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Keyframe »

yokohummer7 wrote: post #253
Keyframe wrote: post #238

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From my perspective: If MacOS had: up-to-date OpenGL support, Nvidia made drivers that supported new cards for it, was not locked into Mac hardware - that would be tremendous. On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. If Linux, any desktop variant (Fedora my poison), had Adobe's support for their DCC apps an…

> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…

I made a wrong statement. PowerShell is a great shell! I want a shell and gnu chain from coreutils onwards within Windows. Babun takes me close, but not close enough. Namely it's slow as hell, 64-bit is no really there, and it's cygwin. I'm one of those "runs Vim and writes their own Makefiles and uses GCC and stuff like that doesn't like cygwin" guys.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by intoverflow2 »

doppel wrote: post #60

I am really curious what Apple feel constitutes "pro" apps. "Software development" is mentioned, but the general sentiment from Hacker News and developers I have talked to seems to be that Apple do not understand their "Pro" audience, at least when it comes to the Macbook Pro (granted, it's a different beast than Mac Pro).

> seems to be that Apple do not understand their "Pro" audience

As a few people have noticed (Recall Arment and possibly even Gruber pointing this out) for a while now almost all their Pro user footage used in advertising and announcements has either been photographers, directors or people sketching down ideas on iPad Pros.

Kinda seems to be ignoring the intersections of creativity and computing that the original Mac pioneered.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by r00fus »

issa wrote: post #318
Eun wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

BetterTouchTool / BetterSnapTool

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by itomato »

ge96 wrote: post #312
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Personally I want the Apple hardware, but would love to run 3 operating systems as I've never used Apple OS before. But am in love with the Macbook Air concept, seems the new Macbook Pros make the Macbook Air unnecessary. I mean they're insanely thin! The display, oh my god... not sure about those keys though. I bought this Samsung Chromebook 2 to test out a 13.3" laptop size and the keys were close to being "counter…

If you really need Solidworks, it should be paying for you to run it on a dedicated machine.

Just warez or what?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by antfarm »

driverdan wrote: post #288
VelNZ wrote: post #229

Wow, what a torrent of negativity on this thread, I didn't see a single positive comment reading through the top level. This is excellent news, I'm chugging along on a 2010 Mac Pro and was very disappointed when the Apple Displays were cancelled last year. They are a staple of the lineup and always look gorgeous compared to what's on the market. I will definitely be buying the new Mac Pro and 2 displays to go with it…

> ... and was very disappointed when the Apple Displays were cancelled last year. They are a staple of the lineup and always look gorgeous compared to what's on the market. Have you looked at what's on the market? There are many great displays out there now, all far better than Apple's offerings. Apple's displays were good for about a year before the competition surpassed them.

I think the parent post was referring to the design of Apple displays, not their display quality ...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ThomPete »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #245
ThomPete wrote: post #29

What an incredible unprofessional move, this would never have happened under Steve Jobs. Apple has been known for having the patience to wait with introducing things until they got them right. I guess this really is the Scullyfication of Apple. Desparate moves rather than just putting your heads down and come out with something new when you have it.

Secrecy has plenty of benefits, like keeping plans secret from competitors, dominating the news cycle, and delighting customers. None of those things speak to a hemorrhaging segment of users whose needs are performance and expandability. It's a show of strength for the modern era of Apple that they are willing to switch strategies when necessary.

If they were really serious they would make an open letter or they would write out to their Mac Pro users personally. That way their "openness" would actually make sense and they would show they really cared.

Pushing this to a little elite group of bloggers is just an amateurish move on Apples part.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by jkrems »

issa wrote: post #318
Eun wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

Did you know about Moom? https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/moom/id419330170?mt=12

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by dilap »

r00fus wrote: post #335
issa wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

BetterTouchTool / BetterSnapTool

Seconded. I use + love BetterSnapTool. Works great.
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