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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by Thorondor »

Buge wrote: post #12
obi1kenobi wrote: post #5

Please also remember to sign the petition, in addition to discussing it in the comments! 100k signatures is a lot, but not for HackerNews ;)

Is the site broken or delayed or something? There was 1 signature, I signed it (and verified my email) and it still says there is 1 signature.

I signed, too, but I didn't see an update in the signature count either. According to https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/signatures-on-the-w... We the People is experiencing technical difficulties at present; the Trump administration said it was "a question of high volume."

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by concinds »

mikeash wrote: post #303
crispinb wrote: post #298

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Of course they're responsible too. But mass-scale movements come from somewhere. They have systematic causes. The tech industry, and the ideology driving it, is manifestly amongst those causes.

Then we have a cause too, so why point the finger at us? Something else caused it! Or, I have a better idea: point the finger at the people who cast the votes.

That again ignores that these people are operating inside a system, not in a vacuum. If you want to assign blame, fine, but don't confuse that with problem-solving. The blame game will not make American democracy functional again, it'll make it even worse.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by dragonsky »

DrScump wrote: post #260
vacri wrote: post #204

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The queen is a figurehead and doesn't get involved in politics - the point being that she doesn't fiddle with parliament's politics, and they don't cut her out of the picture. Been that way for centuries. Here in Australia, the picture is similar. The Governor General (queen's representative) is the ceremonial head of state and can dissolve government prompting new elections, but can't direct government to a certain…

The GG... can dissolve government Can the Regent no longer do this in the U.K.? Basically, the Queen maintains her power But you implied just earlier that she has no power.

The GG in Australia has the power to dissolve parliament, yes. This has only been done once (that I am aware of) and that was when the sitting government lost control of parliament and could no longer pass the laws required to pay the bills. The GG approached the leader of the opposition and asked if he was able to gain control of the house of representatives and start government working again.

There has been a lot of speculation about the legality of this event and it would be a very brave Prime Minister who would allow things to go this far again without calling an election and an even braver GG who would not politely point out to the Prime Minister that he was behaving like an idiot, accept he'd lost control and let somebody else get on with running the country.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by mikeash »

concinds wrote: post #332
mikeash wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then we have a cause too, so why point the finger at us? Something else caused it! Or, I have a better idea: point the finger at the people who cast the votes.

That again ignores that these people are operating inside a system, not in a vacuum. If you want to assign blame, fine, but don't confuse that with problem-solving. The blame game will not make American democracy functional again, it'll make it even worse.

When you point at techies as the cause, are you problem-solving, or playing the blame game? Sure looks like the latter to me.

Edit: I get it. This doesn't help. The thing is, I don't know how to fix it. It looks like we're just fucked. I'm thinking and trying to come up with a fix but it's not working yet. And in the mean time, when someone tries to blame me for this mess I didn't cause and argued against, I'm going to push back.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by hackuser »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #138
hackuser wrote: post #44

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> It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. That's democracy; that is America or else there is no America. All Americans must own this problem, not say that it's not their fault. For one thing, it didn't come from nowhere; Trump's policies merely put in action what many in his party have advocated for years. Yet many smart people I know overlooked it and continued to vote Republican.

If only this country were actually a democracy and not a gerrymandered, federalist republic with eroded checks and balances and an antiquated presidential election system. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation because a sane and intelligent woman would be running the country. Unfortunately the best I can do as a single voter in a non-swing state is continuing to petition my representatives. Even then you face…

> Senator Cory Gardner (R), who goes on CBS to claim that all the people calling and writing his office are "paid protesters".

It seems like a GOP talking point is that they can completely ignore political opposition and democracy. It's just wishful thinking on their part.

Don't stop; it's not futile; the U.S. is a democracy and Gardner, if he wants to be re-elected, will need to pay attention to his constituents.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by snowwrestler »

berberous wrote: post #99
klenwell wrote: post #60

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> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

I'm against this order and generally agree with you, but the conflict-of-interest article is BS. The list of countries is the same as was targeted under Obama for extra screening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somali...

Oh, c'mon. The scope and impact of the EO is totally unprecedented; the President obviously felt unconstrained by precedent, unintended consequences, and arguably even the Constitution.

So, let's not pretend that he was constrained by some list from the Obama administration. It's an executive order, and President Trump owns the whole thing.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by nl »

bluejekyll wrote: post #315
nl wrote: post #189

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This needs more emphasis. These countries were already hard for US citizens to do business in (hence no Trump holidings). I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power. "Corruption" is a distraction. I also think the thing about his tax returns is the same.

While I agree with your point, I disagree with this: > I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power. It's hard to know what his true interests are. But based on his actions, and his lack of desire for publicly stating his net worth or tax returns, I think he is very interested in maintaining not only his worth but also his companies'. Trump is the first President in a long time that can dire…

This is true to some extent of course. But it seems to me - based on the amount of debt his businesses carry - that it is the prestige and power that is associated with money that drives Trump.

I think that his tax returns are a huge distraction. When they leak, what will change? Everyone already knows he doesn't pay much tax. His fans see that as a good thing.

The only thing that could change out of it is if there is a line item "Russian bribes". But that's unlikely, especially since I tend to think his ties with Russia are philosophical, not financial.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by nl »

intended wrote: post #325
nl wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This needs more emphasis. These countries were already hard for US citizens to do business in (hence no Trump holidings). I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power. "Corruption" is a distraction. I also think the thing about his tax returns is the same.

I think your president has figured out a way to 1)piss everyone off except his core vote base 2) be forced out of office 3) launch a movie/book/tv show 4) profit I don't think his original plan was to win the election.

Not my President.

(For real: I'm not from the US)

I agree with your comment though.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by nl »

snowwrestler wrote: post #336
berberous wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against this order and generally agree with you, but the conflict-of-interest article is BS. The list of countries is the same as was targeted under Obama for extra screening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somali...

Oh, c'mon. The scope and impact of the EO is totally unprecedented; the President obviously felt unconstrained by precedent, unintended consequences, and arguably even the Constitution. So, let's not pretend that he was constrained by some list from the Obama administration. It's an executive order, and President Trump owns the whole thing.

I don't think that the parent comment disagrees with you. It's just pointing out that the business links thing is a distraction. This is a purely evil policy, unconstrained by financial concerns.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by [deleted] »

snowwrestler wrote: post #336
berberous wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against this order and generally agree with you, but the conflict-of-interest article is BS. The list of countries is the same as was targeted under Obama for extra screening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somali...

Oh, c'mon. The scope and impact of the EO is totally unprecedented; the President obviously felt unconstrained by precedent, unintended consequences, and arguably even the Constitution. So, let's not pretend that he was constrained by some list from the Obama administration. It's an executive order, and President Trump owns the whole thing.

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