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Can you please give me some sources that explain how it is unethical? (I am aware of the NYTimes article which explains how badly they treat their employees, but that doesn't necessarily translate to unethical development .) I ask because I am about to join them, so forewarned is forearmed.
> I am about to join them, so forewarned is forearmed. I didn't go there, but here's some i found on the net. https://sites.google.com/site/thefaceofamazon/home
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It's the principle of it. Needlessly invasive. It's my hardware, and my network traffic—not theirs. Using such a system in the first place also signals their ineptitude at hiring, or at least an ignorance of quality hiring practices. >What are you going to do, take a break and load up some porn? Well, yes: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/669103856106668033/UF3c... [NSFW]
What's the non-inept way to stop cheating on the test? They can't ask the applicant to walk into their neighborhood Faraday cage.
Paid homework projects are far superior. Plagiarism checks can be run on the provided solutions, and a follow-up conversation concerning the project at the interview should easily suss out anyone who had a third party to do it for them.
That approach also has the advantage of actually being a relevant to the position—unlike some generalized intelligence test.
Frankly if people are putting up with the test they have now, Amazon could probably get away with issuing unpaid homework projects, however classless that would be.
ahahahahahah says the guy who works at amazon. Of course you're going to try and justify it.
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This immediately brings to mind the history of scientific racism, specifically with craniometry being used to 'prove' that certain races are inferior. I realize this probably isn't what they're doing, but the fact that they're giving themselves permission to store facial data for later analysis seems questionable given the context.
> This immediately brings to mind the history of scientific racism, specifically with craniometry being used to 'prove' that certain races are inferior. I can't imagine why...? That would be like seeing a freeway and instantly thinking of the Nazis.
In the news right now: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/new-program-decides-crimina...
The following information will be collected during the duration of the exam: Your microphone Your webcam Your physical location Your head movements Your eye movements Your mouth movements Creepy as all get-out. By all means, lets have more leaks like this.
When I was taking exams at university I am certain the professor could monitor my eye and mouth movements. I could also of course be seen at all times as well as any sounds I made were heard . How is this different?
The cycle times make no sense to me when it comes to big companies. I don't know how Amazon hires and retains programmers.
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They will probably fly you out after this, for another stage of the interview. But at the "FizzBuzz stage", they do really need to make sure that the person answering the question is the same person they're later flying out. There are a surprisingly large number of college students who've gotten used to "paying for grades", who attempt things like that.
Maybe they should just conduct fizzbuzz then?
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>Why not do an onsite if you want to make sure of the validity? Convenience and logistics. Is it worth yours (or Amazon's) time to pay for travel expenses, when applicants could literally be located anywhere? Evidently not, at least not in the early stages of the process.
Is it worth any applicant's time to participate in a silly dehumanizing screening process that boils you down to a number before ever speaking to someone?
That's a very long-winded way to describe a prescreening questionnaire. Are you saying that you think no one should ever take a job if there's a prescreening process?
THE INTERNSHIP IS THE INTERVIEW.
These are just screenings.