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Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Let me get this straight, right now AWS is billing me $270/mo for 3TB of bandwidth on my autoscaling web servers. With LightSail, I can get that same bandwidth, plus storage and instances for $15/mo? In total, I'm spending about $15,000/yr on AWS, and someone spending $5/mo gets their bandwidth 18x cheaper than me? Shouldn't it be the other way around, and I should be the one with the discount? I get enough headaches…

Do you use a CDN? If no. You should use a CDN.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Lightsail: $5/mo 512 MB, 1 core, 20 GB SSD, bandwidth cap -- Scaleway: $3.2/mo 2 GB memory, 2 cores, 50 GB SSD, unmetered bandwidth. Lightsail 2: $10/mo 1 GB memory, 1 core, 30 GB SSD, bandwidth cap -- Scaleway: $10/mo 8 GB memory, 6 cores, 200 GB SSD, unmetered bandwidth. OVH virtual servers have also always been cheaper than Lightsail, and bandwidth is of course unmetered: https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml

It looks like OVH doesn't charge hourly for those.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Just to be clear: This service is offered by Amazon/AWS themselves, it isn't a third party. That's a question I had when I first clicked, which is why I am answering it here. One big "gotcha" for AWS newbies which I cannot tell if this addresses: Does this set or allow the user to set a cost ceiling? AWS have offered billing alerts since forever. They'll also occasionally refund unexpected expenses (one time thing).…

While it wouldn't be as easy as what you want, and this certainly wouldn't be the best solution, they say they offer an API. So in theory (I haven't checked what the API gives you control over - so this may be worthless), you could monitor your instance (bandwidth, time up, disk usage, etc), and if things get out of hand, or approach your limit (whatever it is), you could use the API to say shut down or delete the in…

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I just took a quick look at the API docs - and while it doesn't look like you can mess with the firewall rules settings, everything else should be possible (get metric data, start/stop/reboot/delete instance, etc).

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I've used it and am happy with it. It's reasonably reliable, but has more downtime than the big providers. I wouldn't run mission-critical software that needs 5 9's uptime on it, but for anything else it's fine, certainly for personal projects. They're transparent with any outages, so you can check up on the outage history on their blog: https://prgmr.com/blog/ It's a small business run by a few people (though it's b…

> in case you want to install a custom OS Do they let you do that? They don't say that in the purchases page. Also, how is uptime relative to vultr?

Yeah, you have a choice of using their prebuilt disk images, running one of the officially supported OS installers from the console menu, or downloading your own installer. The list of prebuilt images and supported installers is here: http://wiki.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/Distributions

I haven't used vultr so can't comment on that.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Traffic is the big item that can add additional charges: > Data transfer overages above the free allowance are charged at $0.09/GB. On the $5 instance the second TB (at $90) is 18 times as expensive as the instance itself with the first TB included.

Wow. That traffic is almost 50 times more expensive than at hosters of dedicated servers, or when you buy it directly from Tier 1 or Tier 2 networks. Hetzner charges 1.36€ per Terabyte of traffic, and with most servers, gives you 10-20TB included. I’ve heard people talk about the ridiculous traffic costs of AWS, but this is an entirely new dimension of expensive.

You get 30 TB traffic inclusive with the smallest Hetzner server that has ECC (4 core Xeon with 64GB RAM). And that is for ~70 EUR per month + setup fee.

That amount of traffic is more than 2000 EUR per month at AWS. Of course this is comparing entirely different things, but still, if you have significant traffic and can't avoid it with a CDN or something like that, AWS (as well as Google and Microsoft clouds) get seriously expensive.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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This is very appealing to me just because of the amount of bandwidth that is included. I currently serve 20TB/month of static assets for only $160 spread among Softlayer, Digital Ocean and Linode VPSs. If I can host my static assets on the same network as AWS for the same price then that is a huge win, especially since all new Softlayer VPSs only come with a measly amount of bandwidth.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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100%. I can't stand it. It's unlimited liability for anyone that uses their service with no way to limit it. If you were able to set hard caps, you could have set yours at like $5 or even $0 (free tier) and never run into that. One of my services had a Google BigQuery "budget" set at $100. One of our test machines went haywire and continuously submitted a bunch of jobs. The "budget" turned out only to be an alarm, an…

Amazon lets you set a cost limit in your account. Look it up.

Billing alerts that are simply a notification you exceeded $X is not any sort of limit, particularly when they may take hours to arrive.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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The terrible IOPS performance on AWS is the biggest downside for me. All competitors seem to outstrip AWS on this. Do they have some legacy infrastructure that is just too big too upgrade to something more modern, or is this "on purpose"?

As @STRML said, the difference is that Amazon is using network attached (EBS) storage as the primary instance storage, instead of local SSD. This provides a ton of benefit to Amazon, and some benefit for the user as well: CoW backend allows for nearly instant snapshots and clones, multi server/rack redundancy with EC, ability to scale up with provisioned IOPS easily, etc. The downside is that the access methods for b…

> CoW backend allows for nearly instant snapshots and clones

LOL => A 80GB EBS SSD snapshot takes more than 1 hour.

Subsequent snapshots are incremental and will be less slow.

> multi server/rack redundancy with EC

You can move drive manually after you stop an instance, if that's what you call redundancy.

> ability to scale up with provisioned IOPS

Nope. You need to unmount, clone the existing EBS volume to a new EBS volume with different specs, and mount the new volume. You can't change anything on the fly.

The last time we had to change a 1TB drive from a database, we tried it on a smaller volume... then we announced that it would be a 14-hours-of-downtime-maintenance-operations (if we do it this way) :D

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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You're capped at 20 instances as well by the looks. Plus you'll get AWS 'dog shit' support included which is hopeless. Will stick with Linode.

They put the caps on to help with the very problem you are all bitching about; provisioning a ton of resources and getting a big bill. It's very easy to raise the cap.

I suspect that the VPS cap is more about discouraging large AWS users from spinning up a zillion to reduce egress costs.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Just to be clear: This service is offered by Amazon/AWS themselves, it isn't a third party. That's a question I had when I first clicked, which is why I am answering it here. One big "gotcha" for AWS newbies which I cannot tell if this addresses: Does this set or allow the user to set a cost ceiling? AWS have offered billing alerts since forever. They'll also occasionally refund unexpected expenses (one time thing).…

Also, if you have a Static IP attached to the VPS and you first Stop, and then Destroy your instance, you will need to make sure you "free" the IP as well to avoid _small_ 0.005/hr price. From FAQ: > What do Lightsail static IPs cost? > They're free in Lightsail, as long as you are using them! You don't pay for a static IP if it is attached to an instance. Public IPs are a scarce resource and Lightsail is committed t…

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