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Post by matzipan »

SwellJoe wrote: post #137
matzipan wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! For example, Skylake support is not mature enough in Linux atm.

I think it's gotten pretty good in the past few months. As I mentioned, I had problems when I first installed Linux and it took longer than it historically has, but it's mostly been resolved with kernel and other updates. I can't think of any major issues; the 4k support in Linux is a bit quirky (but it's a bit quirky under Windows 10, as well), and so I've found myself fiddling more than I'd like on that front. But,…

I've had similar issues with Haswell and the Intel 7260 wifi card when it came out. It was fixed, but it took over a year after it was relesed :(

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Post by phs318u »

cooper12 wrote: post #287
phs318u wrote: post #111

As a slight aside. Can anyone point me to any recent work being done to get working Linux drivers for the various Mac hardware bits that have been problematic in the past? I'm only finding old howtos for Linux on Mac which usually end up with some hardware or other not working. I'm specifically interested in Linux on MacBook Air. Thanks.

Maybe this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir ?

Thank you. A great start.

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Post by staticelf »

I use linux on my laptop at work. It is running Red Hat. I have many issues and as always with Linux one of them is bad graphics drivers.

Basically every time I've tried desktop Linux (which is many times) I have always, always struggled with graphics drivers. Even if I get it to work fine, they always suck compared with a Windows installation. Last year I ran desktop Linux and first I had Linux installed and ran CS:Go, I had some issues with frame rate and when I installed Windows on the machine I got about 10-20 more fps which made a huge difference under heavy load.

I love the idea of desktop Linux but I've come to terms last year after about 8 years of trying that it will never be as polished, as good as Windows. At least for me as a gamer. I think a big part of the problem is that there is just too much choices and software out there. Either it's Gnome, Unity or KDE or 20 other window managers. Writing GUIs for Linux is hard compared to Windows/MacOS. Small issues in many appliations, errors that show up when you really try to replace programs with open source ones etc.

I love open source and of course I understand why things are the way they are, it's incredible hard for a smaller open source project to compete with a company that has lots of resources to throw at the issues.

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Post by ergo14 »

pjmlp wrote: post #315
phee wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME development has been mostly design driven since maybe 2008, the whole 3 era had professional designers on board since the beginning.

I know, and how much FOSS bashing have they received for their ideas?

They got bashed for removal of options (that could be hidden from average user), also they changed a lot of things and more or less reimplemented things that they didn't want to do at the beginning (and where bashed for lack of), so I'd say they made a lot of mistakes - for me gnome is usable without heavy tweaking since last year.

Which means it took 4 years to get it to usable state where i don't have to download tons of plugins to make it effective environment for work and multitasking.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

eyko wrote: post #278
butterm wrote: post #144

I am using elementary OS for the past one and a half years, and honestly speaking, I am in love with it. I am a long time Linux user, and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. But there was always one aspect of Linux that I always felt a bit uneasy about, and this was design/UI/UX/accessibility of the many popular distributions. I…

> and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. People like this bore me to death. Let's be frank - you're just biased and you're probably wrong, despite all your good intentions. What OS you prefer is a matter of taste and of choice, and there's no "better" or "worse" unless you're so narrow minded as to only measure an operating sys…

> What OS you prefer is a matter of taste and of choice, and there's no "better" or "worse" unless you're so narrow minded as to only measure an operating system's worth by the features that happen to put your chosen OS ahead.

> Don't lecture us on what OS is better, we've made a decision and it doesn't have to be the same as yours.con

I would agree with that but you don't have to be so harsh, he may actually convince people with arguments as to why Linux is actually "better" (i.e. privacy), rather than "lecturing" them.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by coldpie »

staticelf wrote: post #333

I use linux on my laptop at work. It is running Red Hat. I have many issues and as always with Linux one of them is bad graphics drivers. Basically every time I've tried desktop Linux (which is many times) I have always, always struggled with graphics drivers. Even if I get it to work fine, they always suck compared with a Windows installation. Last year I ran desktop Linux and first I had Linux installed and ran CS:…

Just curious, what graphics hardware were you using? Intel? Nvidia? ATI? I've used Intel and Nvidia extensively and had very few, if any, issues. Intel's drivers are open source, integrated with Linux, and fantastic. Nvidia performance is indeed worse than on Windows, but not enough for me to care. ATI is a mess and has been for more than a decade. Don't use ATI if you want to use Linux.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

metafunctor wrote: post #248
mavelikara wrote: post #9

My mini Ask HN: After over a decade of using Mac OS X, I am considering switching to Linux for my dev laptop. The tools I worry about are those that interact with audio and webcam - Go To Meeting, Google Hangout etc. My work involves me having to teleconf with others often. Does anyone here have experience using Linux well in such scenarios. If so, what hardware are you using? Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work wel…

This is why I still choose to go with Mac OS X, even if their most recent hardware is very, very expensive. I don't have time to tinker with compiling kernels, configuring X11, figuring out which photo management software to use, setting up reliable backups, getting my Bluetooth headset to work, and, yes, getting the machine to suspend when I close the lid and wake up when I open it. These are basics that will just w…

> compiling kernels, configuring X11, figuring out which photo management software to use, setting up reliable backups, getting my Bluetooth headset to work, and, yes, getting the machine to suspend when I close the lid and wake up when I open it.

I haven't heard of the need for compiling kernels, configuring X11 etc. in a loong time.

> setting up reliable backups, getting my Bluetooth headset to work, and, yes, getting the machine to suspend when I close the lid and wake up when I open it

Again, works out of the box, just pick a laptop that is known to work well, i.e. a Clevo, Lenovo or some of the newer DELL machines to give Linux a proper chance - there's no point in trying a laptop that is known to work only with Windows and then complain about it - the same way you don't complain if macOS doesn't work well on a DELL.

You pick a specific machine to run macOS, do the same for Linux and everything will work beautifully out of the box.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

vbezhenar wrote: post #179
_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

1. It's UNIX (more or less, but it's much more UNIX, than Windows), it's familiar bash, grep, awk, etc. It also has proper and popular package manager for command line programs (actually 2, macports and homebrew). 2. It just works. You don't have to configure anything, every hardware part functioning properly and it's guaranteed that this will work in the future without any hassle. You don't have to think about drive…

> it's guaranteed that this will work in the future without any hassle

I wish this was true, but I always hold off updating my work MBP at least 6 months, before all the issues with the newest release are resolved. I remember updating to 10.7 since 10.6 was a solid release and it was a nightmare. There's a bunch of stuff broken with 10.12 as well, including a bug which prevents curl from working well and a bug which makes Duet less reliable under Sierra.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by AsyncAwait »

vbezhenar wrote: post #179
_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

1. It's UNIX (more or less, but it's much more UNIX, than Windows), it's familiar bash, grep, awk, etc. It also has proper and popular package manager for command line programs (actually 2, macports and homebrew). 2. It just works. You don't have to configure anything, every hardware part functioning properly and it's guaranteed that this will work in the future without any hassle. You don't have to think about drive…

> They are nice machines overall. Good enough quality, good casing, good design, good internals, good service.

I'd agree with the aluminium casing and good external design, but in regards to internals; the GPUs are very lacklustre in performance, I had a problem with my MBP showing green tint on the screen after just months of usage and have a dead/red pixel on my new display already.

The fans also do a terrible job at cooling and the CPU can reach 95 degrees C while compiling code, which makes it not so hot a dev machine, (pun intended :-)

But I agree, the service is good.

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Post by andai »

greggman wrote: post #281

I am really intruigued when people say they do most of their computer usage on an iPad. I get massively frustrated anytime I try to do almost anything other than consome on an iPad. As just one example trying to copy snd paste almost anything makes me want to tear my hair out it's so frustrsting. Moving the cursor or trying to fight with the os about what I really want to select as it keeps trying to expand my select…

Wow, that's great to hear about the head cam. Where are you putting these recordings?
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