If someone can't state their point without warping the very language they use to support their point, it makes it very hard to feel like anything they're saying is credible. Example 1: someone is trying to convince me to vote Republican. They go through the Republican platform issue by issue, and compare/contrast it to the Democrats' stand. However, every time they use the word "Democrat" they instead say "Democrap"…
Yeah, "useds" doesn't sound grammatically correct. The most annoying is when people ask: "do you have facebook?", the obvious answer should be: "you can not have facebook unless you're one of the shareholders, the facebook has you!"
Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
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Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Even the appropriation of generic terms like "free" to mean very, very, very specific and non-intuitive things reeks of intellectual dishonesty. He did not "appropriate" the term free. FreeBSD and OpenBSD call what they do "free software" and they also call the gcc "free" and the phrase "free software" predates the Free Software Foundation. He insists on the term, but he doesn't mean something very specific when he…
> He insists on the term, but he doesn't mean something very specific when he says "free". Unlike what most of his opponents seem to believe, he does not mean "copyleft only" when he says "free". He means the exact same thing as "open source", just like "global warming" means the same thing as "climate change". Same thing, different political slant. That's not remotely true. When RMS says "free", he means "copyleft".…
No, no, no, no, a thousand times no:
Freedom 3 includes the freedom to release your modified
versions as free software. A free license may also
permit other ways of releasing them; in other words,
it does not have to be a copyleft license.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html> Source: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.h....
Do people even read this whenever they quote it? He says in it like three times that open source is the same thing as free software (and adds, parenthetically, except for very minor exceptions).
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
> RMS, to some extend, is like the pope. Except, the current pope has made statements that show more flexibility to adapt to reality, regarding topics such as the bing bang/creationism, gay marriage, apologising to the gay community and other marginalised groups, etc. I am in no way religious. At all. Not the slightest bit. I am 100% convinced I could have a meaningful, pleasant conversation with the Pope. I am posit…
Just as the pope would not find atheism an acceptable attitude, RMS would not find non-free-software or software that takes away rights to your devices and data acceptable. From what I found, it is very well possible to discuss a lot of broader topics with RMS. He seems to be very open to cultures and revolutionary ideas and can discuss them from various viewpoints if he is in the mood. He also has ideas (e.g. copyri…
Except...:
> "God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.
Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience."
That is a direct quote, from an article titled "Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-...
Hence my original point. The current pope, has made more efforts to reach out to people outside his own faith, with a reported 1.2 billion followers, than Stallman has.
Stallman's ideas in general should be easier to 'sell' to people too - they don't rely on faith.
> He seems to be very open to cultures and revolutionary ideas
Unless that idea is, I want to release the code that I've written, under a license that lets anyone else do whatever the fuck they want with it.
> Today, essentially all software runs on his ideas.
I think there are a very large number of developers - both open source and commercial - that would disagree with that statement.
> Gnu/Linux is at the heart of Android
No, Linux, the Kernel is at the heart of Android. They specifically don't use the GNU userland environment.
> he (in conjunction with Linus) won over the world.
You seem to be painting Linus and RMS in the same light there, which they very much are not. Linus views Open Source as the best way to get great software. RMS views copyleft as the only way to get morally acceptable software, and cares more about preventing companies from making a profit than he does about the actual result.
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that saying "Swindle" instead of "Kindle" works when he's talking to people who already agree with him, but is seen as adolescent crap by people who don't agree with or don't understand his message. It's preaching to the choir. "Digital Restrictions Management" is a good semantic switcheroo, but "Swindle" is just name-calling. I've read his reasons for it, but really, it just makes it harder for people…
Honestly, appearing crazy is how stallman attracts his audience. He's the center of a pretty radical social movement, all he needs to do is preach to his fans and his supporters do the persuasion to "normal people". A few years passes, and literally 90% of what he's said becomes true. He gets his credibility from his predictive powers, not necessarily being mature and put together. His article on trusted computing (w…
>> In fact, it is designed to stop your computer from functioning as a general-purpose computer. Every operation may require explicit permission.
Please tell me how that is even remotely accurate? Who is producing a computer that requires explicit permission from the mothership to do anything?
>> Proprietary programs will use this device to control which other programs you can run, which documents or data you can access, and what programs you can pass them to.
Please tell me which programs are being distributed that prevent other programs from running and/or opening documents?
>> These programs will continually download new authorization rules through the Internet, and impose those rules automatically on your work.
Please tell me which programs download “rules” from an internet source, and then prevent you from accessing your own files because of said “rules” ?
>> Of course, Hollywood and the record companies plan to use treacherous computing for Digital Restrictions Management (DRM), so that downloaded videos and music can be played only on one specified computer. Sharing will be entirely impossible, at least using the authorized files that you would get from those companies.
First off: digital music has gone entirely the opposite direction. When introduced, basically all major digital music used DRM, it’s now the norm that music is distributed DRM-free.
Movies do have DRM, yes, but I’m not aware of any digital service that limits you to a single device, and its definitely not the norm.
>> You, the public, ought to have both the freedom and the ability to share these things.
Why, exactly? I don’t like the way DRM hurts honest consumers either, and I don’t think ultimately it’s going to achieve the results the industry want, but I understand why they’re trying to do it.
>> There are plans to use the same facility for email and documents—resulting in email that disappears in two weeks, or documents that can only be read on the computers in one company.
Where, what plans? Also, for certain types of sensitive business documents, that sounds like exactly the behaviour a reasonable person could understand the use for - encryption and privacy is a huge fucking issue right now, can you honestly tell me you don’t see why it would be an advantage to have the OPTION to say “this document can only be read by the physical devices I approve”?
>> Imagine if you get an email from your boss stating a policy that is illegal or morally outrageous, such as to shred your company's audit documents, or to allow a dangerous threat to your country to move forward unchecked. Today you can send this to a reporter and expose the activity. With treacherous computing, the reporter won't be able to read the document; her computer will refuse to obey her.
Where does this happen? I’ve seen email security systems, where a software component requires mail to have a security classification, and only mail below a certain classification can be sent the world, higher classifications could have requirements such as destination WAN links to use, or destination domains etc, but this was 100% a software (Outlook + Exchange when I saw it) solution, it was not in any way related to TPM/etc and it didn’t prevent the obvious things like “print this email to a pdf” etc.
>> Word processors such as Microsoft Word could use treacherous computing when they save your documents, to make sure no competing word processors can read them. Today we must figure out the secrets of Word format by laborious experiments in order to make free word processors read Word documents. If Word encrypts documents using treacherous computing when saving them, the free software community won't have a chance of developing software to read them—and if we could, such programs might even be forbidden by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
So we’ve gone from absolute “X will happen” into “Y could happen”, where Y is in fact the opposite of something that has happened.
>> Programs that use treacherous computing will continually download new authorization rules through the Internet, and impose those rules automatically on your work. If Microsoft, or the US government, does not like what you said in a document you wrote, they could post new instructions telling all computers to refuse to let anyone read that document. Each computer would obey when it downloads the new instructions.
Where. Where on planet earth is there a word processor that sends every word you type to POTUS for approval. The Hunger Games is more believable than some of this stuff.
And finally, we get to the part that is accurate:
>> As of 2015, treacherous computing has been implemented for PCs in the form of the “Trusted Platform Module”; however, for practical reasons, the TPM has proved a total failure for the goal of providing a platform for remote attestation to verify Digital Restrictions Management. Thus, companies implement DRM using other methods. At present, “Trusted Platform Modules” are not being used for DRM at all, and there are reasons to think that it will not be feasible to use them for DRM. Ironically, this means that the only current uses of the “Trusted Platform Modules” are the innocent secondary uses—for instance, to verify that no one has surreptitiously changed the system in a computer.
>> Therefore, we conclude that the “Trusted Platform Modules” available for PCs are not dangerous, and there is no reason not to include one in a computer or support it in system software.
So basically, the stuff where hardware and software companies wanted to devise a way to protect the integrity of software against malicious attacks, is pretty much exactly what happened, and all the shit RMS claimed would happen, either didn’t happen, or the opposite happened.
So, tell me again how this article is “extremely accurate”?
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look, people are surprised because Facebook has become an integral way to communicate with someone whether it be via chat with messenger or as a broadcast message via a newsfeed post. Internalize this: Facebook has become as integral to communication as having a cell phone was in the last decade. If you met someone who didn't have a cell phone today (whether it be a smartphone or otherwise), wouldn't you be surprised…
Cell phones didn't introduce a whole new human activity. At the end of the day, you were still just having a phone conversation with someone - it was just easier and more convenient way to do something people were already doing. Facebook is a whole new activity that never really existed before, it's much more than just "communication". It seems more about following other peoples lives in a rather obsessive and voyeur…
Text messaging.
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Copy protection doesn't protect the customer, nor does digital rights management help manage their rights. They are not benefits for the customer, only negatives. When my bank charges me a fee, they call it a fee, not a bonus, though it's the latter from their point of view.
It does protect the customer though, at the very least it means their money was well spent and other people can't violate that social contract by taking what they want for free.
Furthermore, it seems neither do many of the artists - most of them make their music available for free through e.g. YouTube.
And even if such a social contract existed, I suspect I would feel more harmed by the inability to format-shift the music I bought, than by someone else listening to the music without paying.
It is rare for two passengers on an airplane to pay the same rate even for the same seat and service class. Does this violate any social contract in your opinion? Obviously, the money was not wall spent by one of them.
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#337Recently my girlfriend discovered the depth of the program FB started to listen to the microphone, even if the app isn't on. She never installed the FB app on her new phone. Multiple times in the last month, some VERY specific topic of conversation IRL has shown up as an ad in her FB stream. Most recently, a coworker told her about a "Custom Martin" guitar he had just bought. Later that day there was an ad for a cust…
I suggest conducting an experiment: speak to your girlfriend (away from your phones) and establish a list of highly specific subjects/products. Then, bring these subjects up in conversation when near the phone(s). If what you're saying is true, they should start popping up in the Facebook ads.
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you'll enjoy this lecture by linguistics professor George Lakoff: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9R9MtkpqM Among other things he speaks of the think-tank-driven concerted effort to influence political support by using language invoking specific metaphors to frame important issues. Like "Tax Relief" for dramatically reducing taxes for the rich etc. Changed how I process political speech and pretty much any med…
In the same vein, Orwell's Politics and the English Language [1] is an earlier observation of similar phenomena. [1] https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You are, indeed, used by facebook when you interact with it All HN useds already realize this. If this by it self is a reason not to use a service, very few sites can be used.
While there is some truth in that, it feels a little hyperbolic. Not all websites are equally abusive of their users. They don't all run their own tracking beacons or store, extrapolate and sell the same depth and quantity of personal information.
And please don't propagate the false notion that Facebook sell personal information.
Re: Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not saying that "used" is invalid per se, but rather that it is a perspective that is not justified simply by the fact that Facebook has an advantage from the user. I think your last question further clarifies the problem. Human beings are clearly used by viruses. Unless they use a virus to drive a gene into an organism. But sometimes things are harder to discern: are human beings users or useds of tobacco? Or of…
> I'm not saying that "used" is invalid per se, but rather that it is a perspective that is not justified simply by the fact that Facebook has an advantage from the user. But are you saying that "user" is a perspective that is justified simply by the fact that the used has an advantage from Facebook? > In the end probably it all depends on a value judgement: Of course it does. Everything does. Even whether killing pe…
As for any other product or service.
> Why should he? And doesn't he? Did you not understand him that you think he should express himself clearer?
Stallman says:
We call them "useds" rather than "users" because Facebook is using them, not vice versa.
This is provably wrong: people use Facebook and get a marginal advantage out of it that is arguably on par with what Facebook gets from them.
By the way, I agree with much of Stallman's criticism of FB. I do have an account there but seldom, if ever, open it (I also use a tracker blocker to stop them from tracking my navigation). But apparently a lot of people likes it, and find it a valuable addition to their lives.