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Do you forget what a shambles Tony Blair was? Led us into a pointless war that cost 100,000s of lives. As bad as David Cameron was, he kept us out of war.
Not really. The UK is bombing Syria at his behest. The joke is that a year or two before that, he tried, and failed, to get the UK to drop bombs on the other side of the war.
There aren't two sides in that war.
I find it very amusing that England stopped Scotland from leaving (among other arguments) by saying "You would have to enter EU again", and then left EU the next year :)
I can assure you that the Scots don't find that amusing at all P:
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Well, it'd help if the younger generation actually bothered for things instead of complaining about them on social media. Less online petitions, more going down to the ballot box. If they were represented in the vote, more politicians would listen to them. But they currently don't because the older generations actually show up on voting day.
the older generations can show up on voting day because they don't have to work
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In fact the treaty allows for exactly that. There is nothing in the treaty about automatic invocation of the exit clause following a referendum. By "reinterpreting" the treaty to pretend there is, the EU would simply be violating it.
So, let me understand what you are saying: you are saying that, while the markets are in turmoil, the policical functioning of the EU is blocked, and the very existence of the EU is in question, the EU is politely going to wait until the british politians sort their internal affairs? We can not legally trigger article 50, but we can LEGALLY do lots of things, including putting huge amount of political and economic pr…
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I think I'm one of those rare people who lurk on hackernews, but who's friends are normal working types. Nurses, janitors, teachers, teaching assistants, plumbers, electricians, carpetenters, fisher men. None of these people are on your facebook feed, or hackernews comment section. These are the people who have had enough of all this crap. We're not stupid. We're just poor.
Well you sure aren't going to get any richer now. This is going to have an unpleasant impact on the UK economy (not as bad as the gloom and doom of this morning's news, but bad) and I can assure you that the pain is not going to be felt much at the top end. Get ready for your grocery bill to go up by 20% in the next few weeks and for a massive wave of redundancies.
Putting petrol and groceries on the credit card is getting boring now. How many maxed out credit cards does one family need?
Rich folk keep saying "Why? Why? Why?" and we say "Why not?"
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the older generations can show up on voting day because they don't have to work
If you can't get paid time off to vote, no questions asked - you have an entirely different and more serious problem. That, and isn't youth unemployment a very real problem in the UK too?
Welcome to the United States?
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Well you sure aren't going to get any richer now. This is going to have an unpleasant impact on the UK economy (not as bad as the gloom and doom of this morning's news, but bad) and I can assure you that the pain is not going to be felt much at the top end. Get ready for your grocery bill to go up by 20% in the next few weeks and for a massive wave of redundancies.
At least something is happening. We didn't do it to get rich, we did it to stop the status quo, the endless rut of being so fucking skint all the time. Putting petrol and groceries on the credit card is getting boring now. How many maxed out credit cards does one family need? Rich folk keep saying "Why? Why? Why?" and we say "Why not?"
As is (sadly) customary with major elections and campaign promises, I think you'll feel cheated again. There certainly are (were) good arguments to be made for leaving (the inability of the EU to fundamentally change its structure, the EP giving all of Europe the big finger when it happily elected Juncker as president instead of a reformist, the ideal of self-determination); but economics isn't one of those.
So your argument is basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUTnNKhF-EU
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So, let me understand what you are saying: you are saying that, while the markets are in turmoil, the policical functioning of the EU is blocked, and the very existence of the EU is in question, the EU is politely going to wait until the british politians sort their internal affairs? We can not legally trigger article 50, but we can LEGALLY do lots of things, including putting huge amount of political and economic pr…
Maybe the EU should have thought of that when writing the exit clause? I guess that's the problem with thinking it'll never be used.
- Cameron organizing a referendum without a plan in case he loses, and stepping down? Check!
- Boris disappearing in moments of crisis? Check!
- Power vacuum in all political parties? Check!
- UKIP and Vote Leave backpedaling in some claims? Check!
So yes, lots of things were unclear. But we in the EU not want any of this. You have spoken, now please let's negotiate a deal. Two years! You have two years to do it!
Your internal politics are none of our business.
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Maybe the EU should have thought of that when writing the exit clause? I guess that's the problem with thinking it'll never be used.
They haven't though of that, and lots of other things. As the UK politicians are lacking a plan too. - Cameron organizing a referendum without a plan in case he loses, and stepping down? Check! - Boris disappearing in moments of crisis? Check! - Power vacuum in all political parties? Check! - UKIP and Vote Leave backpedaling in some claims? Check! So yes, lots of things were unclear. But we in the EU not want any of…