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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by IanDrake » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

at-fates-hands wrote: post #270

speeder wrote: post #243

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I have on my Facebook lots of feminist friends. One thing they frequently claim, is that they are NOT censoring anything, people are free to do whatever they want. Yet they keep pushing for this behaviour (black listing people that disagree with feminism, nagging companies until they decide to not launch products in some markets because fear of feminist backlash, and so on). I honestly don't see how they don't notice…

>> I honestly don't see how they don't notice how illogical their position are. I have a friend on Twitter who's a raging feminist. I asked her if she was concerned about Carly Fiorina being excluded from the GOP debate since she was the only woman and actually had more votes in the Iowa caucus than two other male candidates who they kept in the debate. Her response was that she never cared about any GOP candidate. I…

When you have conflicting myopic world views, sometimes you just have to pick one.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by YorickPeterse » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

nickbauman wrote: post #32

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I'm administrating a small-ish Gitlab server and we have to reboot it every week or else it will fail in random and weird ways due to OOM - the machine has 8GB of RAM and 20 active users, so WTF? Isn't the entire point of git to have one pretty dumb server acting as a file server and letting the client do the work?!

Try using JRuby instead of the MRI.

GitLab doesn't run on JRuby as far as I'm aware of.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by fweespeech » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:43 PM UTC

warfangle wrote: post #323

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It's actually written into GitHub's Open Code of conduct. (The 'Open' Code has not accepted any changes for quite some time even though this particular issue was under discussion [1].) The Open Code expressly excuses discrimination against some races and genders, specifically by explicitly ignoring any critique which might fall under a 'reverse'-ism; 'reverse-racism' or 'reverse-sexism' [2]. This line in the Open Cod…

Reverse racism is a myth.

Given they are publicly singling out white women, I'm not really sure that is true.

You shouldn't be generalizing on race if you want me to believe that.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by YorickPeterse » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:44 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #13

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I love both BitBucket and GitLab, have no issues with either.

I'm administrating a small-ish Gitlab server and we have to reboot it every week or else it will fail in random and weird ways due to OOM - the machine has 8GB of RAM and 20 active users, so WTF? Isn't the entire point of git to have one pretty dumb server acting as a file server and letting the client do the work?!

You might want to look into using https://github.com/kzk/unicorn-worker-killer which _should_ be enabled by default (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/bce482a59a235ed...). Besides that we're working on fixing performance problems, cutting down memory usage, etc.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ElComradio » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:44 PM UTC

YuriNiyazov wrote: post #251

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You are comparing an individual to a group which is a mismatch. It would be absurd to tell someone to recognize their privilege that the odds were in their favor but nonetheless they rolled poorly. It's like telling some white guy on death row to feel privileged he had a lower chance of being there.

That's not absurd at all. Being a white male is being allowed at a table in a casino where the expected value of the game is positive, and much higher than any other table. You can still lose, but the players in general don't. You should be thankful for being allowed to play a game with the highest expected value.

If you lose all your chips at the "black table" and I lose mine at the "white table", as we cry over our beers it would be ridiculous for you to assert that I should feel privileged compared to you when our outcomes have turned out to be identical.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by malandrew » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:44 PM UTC

Laaw wrote: post #313

hitekker wrote: post #295

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I wasn't aware of this history. One thing to note is the sentence that precedes 'reverse'-ism: >Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: > ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ Coded language for sanctioned discrimination.

I'm okay with it, because I can get a job elsewhere. Some minorities can't. I don't need to be able to get a job at GitHub, because for some stupid reason, society has a general bias in favor of me. I can work anywhere, but the folks they're giving a shot are folks who don't have it as good as I do.

If this continues to proliferate, instead of achieving a World where minorities have equal opportunity with non-minorities, we will instead end up with a mix of institutions where those in the majority have an advantage and other institutions where those who are minorities have an advantage. This doesn't look like equality, but a reversion to something looking like "separate but equal".

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by yuhong » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #94

First Sourceforge went over to the dark side. Next, Github? This is a huge setback for open source. We need federated open source hosting, where several companies all host the important projects, they all stay in sync, and any client can go to any service for any operation.

What BIZX did with SourceForge is already promising I think.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by StevePerkins » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

Some random thoughts and observations after reading this thread:

[1] I'm interested in the differences between reactions to this, versus Brendan Eich's gay marriage scandal at Mozilla a couple of years ago.

Don't get me wrong... I supported marriage equality then, and I do not support the worst of the statements called out in this story now. However, there are rational arguments that the HN community overreacted in BOTH cases. You have to assume that self-interest factors into the difference.

[2] Why are people so reluctant to move from GitHub to Bitbucket or GitLab? I've done work with all three, and personally haven't found any of them to be significantly more or less reliable than the others (i.e. they ALL go down occasionally). GitLab's interface is virtually on-par with GitHub at this point, and frankly Bitbucket is far superior if you're using JIRA.

Current architecture trends are moving toward smaller services, with a proliferating number of repositories. So GitHub's pricing model, in which you're charged by the number of repos, is becoming less competitive every day against Bitbucket and GitLab charging per user. I sometimes wonder how many HN people do actual work on teams of significant size, and how many are college students or micro-startup founders who don't really pay much for tooling anyway? GitHub's pricing model makes NO sense for established companies with lots of projects, and it seems weird that so few people here bring this up.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

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Apparently Reddit is leaking. Tumblr: the scapegoat for everything they don't like.

As a white middle-aged male, Tumblr is the only place I've experienced what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism. It's quite fascinating to see just how vile some of it gets. Of course it is only fascinating to me because I can trivially withdraw from it and not be particularly affected.

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jhou2 » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:47 PM UTC

This articl was a bit of a hit job. GitHub is changing as revenue and staff increase. That makes sense. There are always growing pains. A flat, so-called meritocratic structure only works in a few situations. GitHub makes the majority of its revenue from enterprise. It only makes sense to mirror the structure of your most valued customers. A VP of important corporate enterprise customer expects to talk to another VP at GitHub to get things done.

I am not sure there are many success stories for increasing diversity in any industry. There are minor improvements to diversity but not much. At most companies I've worked for, the majority of the HR department were white female and the majority of engineering department were male. It was a very clean separation. I've always found that a bit odd in terms of diversity.

I think it's unfair to class everyone with white skin as "white", or darker skin as black or south asian or middle eastern. There is so much diversity in culture and backgrounds that stretch far beyond skin color. Can we stop classifying people based on skin color and just build great software to make the world a better place?