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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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> Is there a reason more sites don't do self hosted ads? Google Adsense (for example) is a live auction clearing house where you paste a snippet of code into your site that resolves into the highest bidder for the keywords on each page. You're done. Meanwhile, hosting your own ads entails finding advertisers, wooing them, developing a relationship with them, maintaining that relationship, negotiating a contract, sett…

In other words, lazy content providers are complaining because user's are unwilling to conform to the model that they want us to.

Well, it's the model that works for almost everyone until some sort of shift happens.

For example, the ease of Adsense is the only reason why my forum is still alive. It's a medium-sized collaborative fiction writing forum with a userbase composed of mostly teens without money (I've tried scavenging for donations once).

Every year my banner ad makes me less and less money. And when it stops breaking even with its rent, I will close it down.

Now, some people in these threads, even perhaps yourself, would argue that my forum simply shouldn't exist since it's dependent on ads or because "I'm too lazy" to spend time trying to find a business model for a forum that already makes me almost no money, but it would be a loss for my users.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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They could correlate with other sites with a back-end system that shares cookie data.

That's exactly the thing, they can't. If you block 3rd party requests as intrasight (and I) do, there's no way for a back-end system to know that users of one website are users of another, short of using things like panopticlick or font-signature correlation (which are much less reliable than a cookie -- and personally I take action to make them useless).

???

I know who you are based on a cookie I drop on your browser (or just from your IP address) and I can share that information from my back-end to other sites.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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That's exactly the thing, they can't. If you block 3rd party requests as intrasight (and I) do, there's no way for a back-end system to know that users of one website are users of another, short of using things like panopticlick or font-signature correlation (which are much less reliable than a cookie -- and personally I take action to make them useless).

??? I know who you are based on a cookie I drop on your browser (or just from your IP address) and I can share that information from my back-end to other sites.

You can share it, of course - but, how would they correlate it with data from other websites? How can they tell that a user on your site and one on my site are one and the same? They cannot (exceptions noted above), which makes it rather useless for profiling a user

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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That's fine. If paywalls is the business model that works (I don't think it is for most content (it's really just not worth anything even ad eyeball time)) then that is how it will be. I'm not a huge "free-market" proponent. But markets exist, and they aren't magic. They smove to solution(s) that the market wants / willing to "pay" for. Pay in broadest sense, money, eyeballs, time, etc. As a business you can fight a…

> That's fine. If paywalls is the business model that works (I don't think it is for most content (it's really just not worth anything even ad eyeball time)) then that is how it will be. This argument is already so tired. When you limit all options to one, that option has to be taken whether or not it is a good option. If everyone blocked every advertisement indiscriminately there would be no other option available b…

If you think the only options in the world are ads or pay wall, you are oblivious. There are currently existing, wildly popular content sites using a different model than either of those.

Whether the tide is a good thing or not. It exists. You can ignore it but you can't avoid it.

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